Some perspective on "immigration"?

Rick wrote: That's exactly right, and like Obama and the Dems love to say "they didn't build that"... "that" being this country built primarily by individual taxpaying citizens for two and a half centuries. In the early days of this country you either stepped up and worked or you died... now there's a third choice. But even if you want to come here today and work, that doesn't mean you've earned the same rights to what was built by everybody before us and currently.

I believe a good immigration policy must include having skin in the game, and at the very least learning English and some sort of skill if none currently exists. We need to import more assets than liabilities... something that is not being considered at all with this executive overreach. This may not seem like necessary common sense to the left, but it makes sense to me.

Strange how taking things out of context is seemingly ok to do when referring to Obama and Dems, but not in anything else: www.factcheck.org/2012/07/you-didnt-buil...-uncut-and-unedited/

Rick's response was to this:

PrintSmith wrote:

ZHawke wrote: This nation used to welcome immigrants, no matter their stripe.

Before the dawn of the welfare state that was true. The one thing you can't have, unless one is trying to bankrupt the Union, is a generous immigration policy and a generous welfare state. That math simply doesn't work, you run out of other people's money to spend subsidizing an ever larger percentage of the population, much like what has been happening for the last 6 years.

Would you care to respond to that argument Z? Because it seems to be the single most important point that the left doesn't want to address when they talk about how the immigration policies of the Union used to be so much more generous towards immigration than they are today.

The reality is that we are already creating an unsustainable public debt with our generous welfare state. Returning to the immigration policies of the late 19th and early 20th centuries simply isn't an economic possibility unless we are willing to dismantle the welfare state created over the last 70 years. The reality is that this Union continues to welcome immigrants from all over the globe, albeit in fewer numbers as a result of the emergence of the welfare state in the Union.

No, I wouldn't, not because I don't have an answer. But, rather, because I am still ignoring you and your posts.

ZHawke wrote: No, I wouldn't, not because I don't have an answer. But, rather, because I am still ignoring you and your posts.

And yet you quote and make some inane statement to nearly all.

HEARTLESS wrote:

ZHawke wrote: No, I wouldn't, not because I don't have an answer. But, rather, because I am still ignoring you and your posts.

And yet you quote and make some inane statement to nearly all.

Inanity is in the eye of the beholder.

PrintSmith asked a direct question of you, Ill leave and you can evade that now.

HEARTLESS wrote: PrintSmith asked a direct question of you, Ill leave and you can evade that now.

Yes.....yes, he did. I also have the prerogative to ignore him and his questions. Glad to see you're leaving.

No surprise Z, when one doesn't have a logical argument to make the necessary response is either to ignore the topic or evade answering it directly. And since the left has no logical and reasoned response to that argument, that the generous welfare state in existence currently restrains the amount of immigration than can be allowed, whenever it is brought up in the debate the left either ignores the topic or seeks to evade answering it.

QED

See previous post.

I pity the mods.