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PrintSmith wrote: Yes, Z, an agenda to hold all to the same set of standards with regards to dealing with the public regardless of how politically popular, or unpopular, it might happen to be. Don't you think an agenda of having the government hold all to the same standard is one that is worth pursuing?
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But you are aware of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, both of which are biblical verses, both of which describe homosexual acts between two men in, shall we say, less than complimentary terms. I am confident in my opinion that this is what the story is referring to when it mentions "anti-gay scripture" being refused in addition to the refusal to ice other words or phrases onto the cake.Something the Dog Said wrote: I am unaware of any biblicial verse wherein God proclaims his hatred for "homos" or "gays" or "faggots". Please provide us with such verse. The "agenda" here is where individuals are attempting to hide their bigotry and hate speech behind claims of religious expression.
The two cases are quite distinct, one where an individual attempts to create a controversy by trying to force a public accommodation to perform a detestable act using hate speech that the individual tries to hide as "religious expression" and the baker provides a reasonable accommodation to ensure that the individual receives his desired cake, and the other where one refuses to sell a wedding cake to individuals solely based on the sexual orientation of the purchasers.
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PrintSmith wrote:
But you are aware of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, both of which are biblical verses, both of which describe homosexual acts between two men in, shall we say, less than complimentary terms. I am confident in my opinion that this is what the story is referring to when it mentions "anti-gay scripture" being refused in addition to the refusal to ice other words or phrases onto the cake.Something the Dog Said wrote: I am unaware of any biblicial verse wherein God proclaims his hatred for "h***s" or "gays" or "f*****s". Please provide us with such verse. The "agenda" here is where individuals are attempting to hide their bigotry and hate speech behind claims of religious expression.
The two cases are quite distinct, one where an individual attempts to create a controversy by trying to force a public accommodation to perform a detestable act using hate speech that the individual tries to hide as "religious expression" and the baker provides a reasonable accommodation to ensure that the individual receives his desired cake, and the other where one refuses to sell a wedding cake to individuals solely based on the sexual orientation of the purchasers.
FWIW Dog, and it's important that you understand this about me, I don't support what the man did at the Azucar Bakery. I, myself, am of the opinion that what Paul proclaimed in Galatians, that Christ died to free us from the laws of the Old Testament, is true.
My personal opinion of his actions, however, isn't relevant to the topic at hand, whether or not the proprietor of Azucar Bakery refused what the government has decided is a public accommodation, the ability to hire whatever baker you wish to produce whatever confectionery you desire to have, is relevant. As I have maintained all along, specialty cakes are not a public accommodation, they are a contractual arrangement between two parties who agree to be bound by the contract. One is free to determine whether or not they wish to enter into such a contract for any reason because our federal Constitution protects everyone from having to be involuntary servants to anyone, for any reason. In both instances, Masterpiece Cakeshop and Azucar Bakery, I support the right of the baker to determine whether or not they wish to be party to the contract to produce a specialty cake for any client, for any reason.
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The article states, quite clearly I might add, that "anti-gay scripture" was included among the choices refused by Azucar Bakery. Three guesses as to what scripture is being referred to there Dog, and the first two don't count.Something the Dog Said wrote: Are not those biblical verses bracketed by other verses with proclamations against eating shellfish, wearing polyblend clothes, and promoting enslaving your neighbors? I also note that nowhere did any verse proclaim that God hates any of his creations, particularly those who love individuals of their own sex, unless you also believe that God hates those who eat shrimp or oysters, or those who were spandex or other polyblend materials. Again, where are the biblical verses wherein God states his hatred of "h***s" or "gays".
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PrintSmith wrote: There is no difference between mowing a lawn and baking a cake - both are services provided by one person for another person. And that, Dog, is the fact of the matter.
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