Politico: Leaked Document- Roe V Wade Overturned

02 May 2022 19:37 #1 by FredHayek
Not confirmed yet, but a rough draft on Roe V. Wade has been leaked that overturns the historic decision. Wow! Never thought I would see this in my lifetime. This will really split the nation. Red States will ban abortions. Blue States won't. Can the US function this way?

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02 May 2022 20:28 #2 by FredHayek
The Supreme Court has been telegraphing this by not overturning restrictive new abortion laws from Red States.

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03 May 2022 07:47 #3 by homeagain
The HUGE question mark not addressed yet, the "handle it at home" pill.....WHEN OR IF that comes into
the discussion,there will be a land swell of livid females who will VOTE DOWN THE RABID REPUBLICANS.
(There is NO uglier sight than a super ticked off tribe of woman)

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03 May 2022 07:55 #4 by ramage
" Never thought I would see this in my lifetime."

When I read this line I thought that you were going to comment on the fact that apparently a draft was leaked.

In my mind that is the real issue not the fact that Roe v. Wade may be overturned. I don't know you age, Fred, but realize that with a change in the composition of the Supreme Court, Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, could be overturned, within your lifetime. There is no case that cannot be overturned by a majority of the Court.

What is precedent setting, is that this is the first time in the history of our nation and the Court that a draft opinion of a case has been disclosed.
It bring into question the integrity of the "attorneys" who serve as law clerks. To serve as a clerk to the Supreme Court is the most prestigious position to which a lawyer can aspire.
It was thought to be a most serious and trust requiring job, evidently it is now another step towards the diminution and politicalization of the Court.

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03 May 2022 08:55 - 03 May 2022 14:22 #5 by homeagain
""What is precedent setting, is that this is the first time in the history of our nation and the Court that a draft opinion of a case has been disclosed.
It bring into question the integrity of the "attorneys" who serve as law clerks. To serve as a clerk to the Supreme Court is the most prestigious position to which a lawyer can aspire."

yes, integrity IS A QUESTIONABLE EQUATION.....I see no integrity in any political/governmental posture.
(it is becoming laughable that it is even expected). Perhaps the ":leak" is a DIRECT result of Kavanaugh
SWEARING he would uphold the set precedents.

In one exchange with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) then, she asked if he agreed with former Justice Sandra Day O’Connor that a women’s right to control her reproductive life impacted her ability to “participate equally in the economic and social life of the nation.”

Kavanaugh responded by saying that, “as a general proposition,” he understood the importance of the precedent set in Roe v. Wade, and outlined the rationales that undergirded both Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which reaffirmed a woman’s constitutional right to obtain an abortion before fetal viability.

Feinstein then outright asked Kavanaugh what he meant by “settled law” and whether he believed Roe v. Wade to be correct law. Kavanaugh said he believed it was “settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court” and should be “entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis,” the notion that precedents should not be overturned without strong reason.

“And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992,” Kavanaugh said then.

Shortly afterward, Feinstein interrupted Kavanaugh to note that she had sat through nine confirmation hearings for Supreme Court justices, who had expressed similar sentiments about stare decisis.

“And when the subject comes up, the person says, ‘I will follow stare decisis,’ and they get confirmed, and then, of course, they do not,” she told Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh did not answer Feinstein directly, instead pivoting to how he understood “how passionate and how deeply people feel about this issue.” He went on at length to talk about how Planned Parenthood v. Casey had reaffirmed Roe, making it “a precedent on precedent.”

“I understand the importance of the issue. I understand the importance that people attach to the Roe v. Wade decision, to the Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision,” Kavanaugh said. “I do not live in a bubble. I understand. I live in the real world. I understand the importance of the issue.”
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) delivered a 45-minute long speech on the Senate floor before confirming her support of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. (Video: Joyce Koh/U.S. Senate)

Kavanaugh’s remarks in his confirmation hearings came in conjunction with reports that he had privately reassured Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) that he thought Roe v. Wade was settled law to convince her to support his nomination. Collins would go on to express her full confidence in several interviews that Kavanaugh would not overturn Roe v. Wade.
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“I would not support a nominee that demonstrated hostility to Roe v. Wade because that would mean to me that their judicial philosophy did not include a respect for established decisions,” she told CNN at the time.

Link to transcript: www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-115shrg...HRG-115shrg32765.pdf

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03 May 2022 09:09 #6 by ramage
HA,
Please provide the source for your posting, obviously these are not your words.

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03 May 2022 10:31 #7 by FredHayek
Interesting tidbit: in 1982, Senator Joe Biden wanted to overturn Roe V. Wade and let individual states decide their own abortion laws and limits.
He was only in his 40's then, probably a more independent thinker than the current puppet who occupies the White House.

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03 May 2022 11:10 #8 by homeagain

ramage wrote: HA,
Please provide the source for your posting, obviously these are not your words.

SIMPLE, research transcript of confirmation hearing of K.

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03 May 2022 11:55 #9 by homeagain
www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/abortio...ey-passages-00029470

FROM A MAN'S MOUTH .....The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions. On the contrary, an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment persisted from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”

Once again,women r second class citizens,it NEVER HAS CHANGED. Alito's attitude is abominable.(bolded)....and THAT statement will truly turn the tide,because I don't know many women who think that
PUNISHMENT is needed for AUTONOMY OF THEIR OWN BODIES.

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03 May 2022 12:19 #10 by ramage
Excuse me, you post 10 paragraphs from a source which you do not attribute. It is then my responsibility to research your unattributed plagiarism to find the source. Is that correct?

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