LADIES AND GENTLEMEN......lay your money down,guess the outcome

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/


Who Is Favored To Win The 2024 Presidential Election?
538 uses polling, economic and demographic data to explore likely election outcomes.

Harris wins 58 times out of 100
in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election.
Trump wins 41 times out of 100.
There is a less than 1-in-100 chance of no Electoral College winner.

Harris will win the popular vote by over 10 million votes.

Electoral college? I dunno.

We really need to get rid of the ancient, and grossly unfair, electoral college.

koobookie wrote: Harris will win the popular vote by over 10 million votes.

Electoral college? I dunno.

We really need to get rid of the ancient, and grossly unfair, electoral college.

One big advantage to the EC is that it discourages Deep Red and Blue States from inflating the numbers of votes for their favorite candidate. And out of 200 plus years of voting the Electoral College and the popular vote agree. I think only three elections were won by the Electoral Vote only.

FredHayek wrote: One big advantage to the EC is that it discourages Deep Red and Blue States from inflating the numbers of votes for their favorite candidate. And out of 200 plus years of voting the Electoral College and the popular vote agree. I think only three elections were won by the Electoral Vote only.

Five. Five presidents have won the electoral college and lost the popular vote.
1824
1876
1888
2000
2016

The electoral college gives small states more power than they deserve. The vote of a person in Montana counts for more than a person in California. That's not fair.

Now there are only a handful of states that actually decide the election, so all the attention is on them, rather than the population as a whole. The winner take all scenario for the EV's is not a fair democratic solution.

If we keep the EC, we will have more mistakes selected for the office of president, like the mistakes of 2000 and 2016.

BTW - all my conservative friends are in favor of the EC. All my liberal friends want to abolish the EC. I'm pretty sure that is because my conservative friends know that, without the EC, the conservatives will never win the White House again.

We are the "United States". The smaller States would never have joined up if they would have know high population States would run roughshod over them.

Most of the high population states are very urban. I don't like having cities force their will on rural America.

FredHayek wrote: We are the "United States". The smaller States would never have joined up if they would have know high population States would run roughshod over them.

Most of the high population states are very urban. I don't like having cities force their will on rural America.

And I don't like to have my vote count for less than someone from Wyoming.

Why can't we just elect a president via popular vote? What are conservatives afraid of? Losing power?

koobookie wrote: Why can't we just elect a president via popular vote? What are conservatives afraid of? Losing power?

It's the law. Changing it requires an amendment to the constitution.

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: We are the "United States". The smaller States would never have joined up if they would have know high population States would run roughshod over them.

Most of the high population states are very urban. I don't like having cities force their will on rural America.

And I don't like to have my vote count for less than someone from Wyoming.

Why can't we just elect a president via popular vote? What are conservatives afraid of? Losing power?

Then move to a true Democracy. America was founded as a representative Democracy.

Some don’t understand the dangers of a pure democracy. The founders were infinitely wiser than the wannabe commies that want to increase the dependent population by tens of millions. It’s so much easier to be tyrannical when there is no state power.

FredHayek wrote:

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: We are the "United States". The smaller States would never have joined up if they would have know high population States would run roughshod over them.

Most of the high population states are very urban. I don't like having cities force their will on rural America.

And I don't like to have my vote count for less than someone from Wyoming.

Why can't we just elect a president via popular vote? What are conservatives afraid of? Losing power?

Then move to a true Democracy. America was founded as a representative Democracy.

Seriously?

Nearly all modern Western-style democracies function as some type of representative democracy: for example, the United Kingdom (a unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy), Germany (a federal parliamentary republic), France (a unitary semi-presidential republic), and the United States (a federal presidential ...republic). This is different from direct democracy, where the public votes directly on laws or policies, rather than representatives.

My question for you MAGA boys is why can't we elect our president via popular vote? Other countries do that, so you think we could figure it out? I know and realize it takes a constitutional amendment to abolish the EC, duh, but we should do it so we don't have more monumental mistakes like Dubya and trump.

Oh, but then you MAGA's won't ever get your heroes elected. Awww.