the error? on the part of the BLACK HAWK PILOT....HE WAS WARNED 2 MINUTES PRIOR TO EVENT BY CONTROLLERS....AGAIN 180 VIEW OF SKY BECAUSE OF TOO FEW CREW MEMBERS (NEED 4,THERE WERE 30.....s-o-o-o the DEI sound bite is just the mob boss blowing smoke,as usual.
CONTROLLERS WERE NOT THE PROBLEM....APPARENTLY PROTOCOL IS ACCEPTABLE FOR MILITARY TO ACCEPT/UNDERSTAND AIR SPACE AND THE CONTROLLER CAN PASS IT OFF TO MILITARY PILOT.....HE DID NOT SEE THE CORRECT CRAFT AND DID NOT MAKE CORRECTION IN TIME....ERROR GOES TO THE MILITARY. (NOT UNDESIRABLE CONTROLLER PERSONNEL....THIS SPEWING OF BULLSHIT FROM MOB BOSS IS GETTING REAL OLD...
FREEZERMAN ....if u can contribute real and verifiable posts to the thread..please feel free to DO just that...otherwise YOUR on the fly by comment is
just so much noise,I actually ignore it.
You are the noise here. I post my own words where your posting can not be read with out trying to figure out what part is copy and paste and what part is just your word salad of typing and yelling at your computer while slinging TDS talking points. All while you think that someone on here is awaiting your brilliant opinion.
NOT my problem, if u can't keep up......AND just as a side note, the ECHO CHAMBER HERE ON THIS SITE
becomes boring,so I ,on occasion, post just to add some variety....
homeagain wrote: NOT my problem, if u can't keep up......AND just as a side note, the ECHO CHAMBER HERE ON THIS SITE
becomes boring,so I ,on occasion, post just to add some variety....
An echo chamber is a place where there is no disagreement. Show me one thread where you and your fellow MIA leftists ever disagreed with each other... you can't. However, we on the right disagree with each other all the time... now try to explain who is really in an echo chamber... preferably in all bolded caps so we can feel your anger better.
A fact is information without emotion.
An opinion is information shaped by experience.
Ignorance is an opinion without knowledge.
Stupidity is an opinion the rejects facts.
Conservatives here disagree with me. I am not a social or a religious conservative. There are all different kinds, including fiscal Conservatives. Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
FredHayek wrote: Conservatives here disagree with me. I am not a social or a religious conservative. There are all different kinds, including fiscal Conservatives. Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
I rest my case.
Even in the right wing media there are disagreements because the wide range of views. Left wing media locks shields on everything and they all repeat the same bullshit in order to protect the system and their Democrat masters.
A fact is information without emotion.
An opinion is information shaped by experience.
Ignorance is an opinion without knowledge.
Stupidity is an opinion the rejects facts.
ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) — Preliminary data from the deadliest U.S. aviation accident in nearly 25 years showed conflicting readings about the altitudes of an airliner and Army helicopter when they collided near Reagan National Airport in Washington, killing everyone aboard both aircraft, investigators said Saturday.
Investigators also said that about a second before impact, the jet’s flight recorder showed a change in its pitch. But they did not say whether that change in angle meant that pilots were trying to perform an evasive maneuver to avoid the crash.
Data from the jet’s flight recorder showed its altitude as 325 feet (99 meters), plus or minus 25 feet (7.6 meters), when the crash happened Wednesday night, National Transportation Safety Board officials told reporters. Data in the control tower, though, showed the Black Hawk helicopter at 200 feet (61 meters) at the time.
According to the data in the control tower at the time of the crash, the Blackhawk was within the altitude restrictions for operation at that airport. Very possible that it was an error on the part of the jet pilots not setting their AGL correctly for DCA.
In other words HA, no, you're wrong (yet again), NOTHING is VERIFIED yet . . .
SORRY, BUT, per Black Hawk Pilot (not related to this incident) STATED THERE WERE 3 CREW MEMBERS ON BOARD...THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 4...THEY ONLY HAD 180 VIEW OF SKY, NOT 360 WITH THE ADDITIONAL CREW MEMBER....THEREFORE THEY ID ONE CRAFT ,BUT NOT THE OTHER FLYING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. ERROR ,MILITARY FOR ALLOWING INSUFFICIENT PERSONNEL IN DARK NITE SKY....IN CROWDED AIR SPACE, the other issue is nite goggles,which have not been verified.
If the flight rules didn't allow for a crew of three, then the helicopter wouldn't have been in the air HA. I'm sure that 4 would be preferable to 3, but 4 were not required for the flight to occur. There were supposed to be more ATC in the tower too . . . one for the rotary wing and one for the fixed wing aircraft operating in that airspace, but there was only one at the time of the collision.
Bottom line is this . . . despite your announcements to the contrary, there isn't any verification that the pilots in the Blackhawk are responsible for this tragic accident. According to the telemetry from the tower at DCA, they were below their maximum permitted altitude for operation within that airspace. Whether they saw the jet or not isn't particularly relevant, altitudes are assigned to aircraft for the express purpose of avoiding midair collisions. You can have two aircraft in the same X,Y axis so long as there is a different Z axis for the two craft. Happens everyday, all day, all across the country. You have a plane traveling along a designated route headed west and another plane on the same route heading east and at some point along they way they pass each other at different altitudes. That's why the rotary wing craft at DCA have a maximum permitted altitude during flight, which this Blackhawk seems to have been in conformity with. One of the craft was at an impermissible altitude, which is the reason the two aircraft collided in midair. Had nothing at all to do with how many people were on the Blackhawk, or how many people were in the tower, and everything to do with the pilot in command of one of those two aircraft being at the wrong altitude. In time we will know which of the two was at the wrong altitude, but as of now, NOTHING is VERIFIED . . . certainly not that the pilot of the Blackhawk is responsible for the collision.
