China leading the way in renewable energy

11 Dec 2010 15:13 #1 by Something the Dog Said
China announced plans to have 500 gigawatts in renewable energy within 9 years. In comparison, the US might have 16 gigawatts although that is currently being filibustered in the Senate by Republicans. While China overall is the leading country in greenhouse emissions, it is aggressively pursuing plans to reduce that. Even that is misleading, as when compared on a per capita basis, it's emissions are 1/4 that of US.

China also has become the leading manufacturer of renewable energy equipment as well.

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11 Dec 2010 17:20 #2 by Nmysys
Something:

It would have been nice if you had posted some link to wherever you got this information, so we can read it and understand where this data supposedly comes from.

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12 Dec 2010 08:37 #3 by Something the Dog Said
Nym:

How about I teach you basic research skills so that you can verify data.

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12 Dec 2010 08:39 #4 by LadyJazzer

Something the Dog Said wrote: Nym:

How about I teach you basic research skills so that you can verify data.

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Close... But with Nym you have to modify the instructions...

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12 Dec 2010 08:40 #5 by V_A
Dog, I'm not surprised. China has been making some major advances in this area the last few years. I had no idea their plans were this big.

Good for them. Maybe we can loan them Al Gore :)

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12 Dec 2010 09:32 #6 by Martin Ent Inc
Guess no one here has watched the 2 hour program on China, and how they use solar and wind.
They power whole villages and towns and lead the world in solar technology.

They will one day rule the world.

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12 Dec 2010 09:38 #7 by FredHayek
Good to see them make an effort, hopefully they can quickly take off-line the really dirty coal plants. Question: If China is doing so well with green tech, why have they been so resistant to international limits on carbon?

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12 Dec 2010 14:21 #8 by ScienceChic
Here are some more links that I posted in another thread.
http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2010/12/07 ... as-us-beat
7 Technologies Where China Has the U.S. Beat
By Adam Aston
December 07, 2010

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmen ... ments-0329
Will China Beat Us in the Clean Energy (and Clean Energy Jobs) Race?
U.S. investments in renewable energy lag behind China and even Europe. Why? The answer might surprise you.
March 29, 2010 at 9:19AM by Jim DiPeso

http://chinalawandpolicy.com/2010/08/31 ... ech-giant/
How China Beat the U.S. and Became the New Green Tech Giant
By Elizabeth M. Lynch, August 31, 2010

http://climateprogress.org/2010/11/30/s ... ik-moment/
Video: Steven Chu on why China’s bid for clean energy leadership should be our “Sputnik Moment”
November 30, 2010

When it comes to innovation, Americans don’t take a back seat to anyone – and we certainly won’t start now. From wind power to nuclear reactors to high speed rail, China and other countries are moving aggressively to capture the lead.

Given that challenge, and given the enormous economic opportunities in clean energy, it’s time for America to do what we do best: innovate. As President Obama has said, we should not, cannot, and will not play for second place.

That’s Secretary of Energy Steven Chu in speech Monday on how China’s bid for world leadership in clean energy should be our “Sputnik moment.”


SS109-this article might answer your question. While China is being the most aggressive in terms of putting money into research, development, and implementation of renewable energy, it also will not reach its fossil fuel peak for quite a while - it undeniably has the greatest energy need of any other country, although India can give it a run for its money there. They realize that if they have to follow binding resolutions on GHG emissions, it will hurt their bottom line, which they oppose - why should they have to limit their emissions when the U.S. has gotten where it has without having to limit its emissions? As they have large coal reserves, they don't want to have to limit their use of their own natural resources unless we do too, and since the U.S. has waffled on its promises then they will too so as to keep the economic playing field level. It's why cap-and-trade will be accepted, and shouldn't - we've gotten all the benefits of freely using fossil fuels over the last 2 centuries to fuel our economy without having to pay any penalties.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6 ... 493be23015
Climate Talks Still at Impasse, China Buffs Its Green Reputation
Science 15 October 2010:
Vol. 330 no. 6002 p. 305
DOI: 10.1126/science.330.6002.305

The lead U.S. negotiator in Tianjin, Jonathan Pershing, criticized China and other major developing nations for refusing to implement a stringent program of monitoring, reporting, and verifying their carbon emissions. “These elements are at the heart of the deal, and the lack of progress on them gives us concern,” Pershing told reporters. China, meanwhile, scolded the United States for using the Asian nation as a scapegoat for its own foot-dragging on addressing climate change. The United States “has no measures or actions to show for itself,” said Su Wei, director of the powerful National Development and Reform Commission's climate change department, who reiterated China's view that the United States must take “historical responsibility” for rising atmospheric CO2 levels.

Developing nations, the group to which China maintains it still belongs despite its growing economic strength, have vowed to become more energy efficient but as a group have refused to accept binding emissions reductions.


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12 Dec 2010 15:43 #9 by major bean
The Chinese have accomplished nothing to date. This is all opium pipe dreams so far.
We can congratulate them after they can point to a record of accomplishments. Anyone can ramble about their "dream home" or "phantasy football".

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12 Dec 2010 16:06 #10 by LOL
Just a little balance to the happy discussion. Hey I am all for clean efficient energy, but lets get real about China.

The official treaty to curb greenhouse-gas emissions hasn't gone into effect yet and already three countries are planning to build nearly 850 new coal-fired plants, which would pump up to five times as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as the Kyoto Protocol aims to reduce.

Now the world is facing a tidal wave of new power plants fired by coal, experts say. "China and India are building coal-fired capacity as fast as they can," says Christopher Bergesen, who tracks power plant construction for Platts, the energy publishing division of McGraw- Hill.

China is the dominant player. The country is on track to add 562 coal-fired plants - nearly half the world total of plants expected to come online in the next eight years. India could add 213such plants; the US, 72

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.html

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