Happy Robert E Lee Day

18 Jan 2011 00:51 #41 by ScienceChic
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I was just waiting for the right time to post this...thanks!

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2010/1 ... war-again/
Ready or not, here comes the Civil War. Again.
Posted on December 28, 2010

Get ready for five years of misery, self-absorption, class warfare, occasional (perhaps even frequent) denials of racism, interminable militaristic posturing, and so much more. The US is about to start commemorating, if that’s the word, the 150th anniversary of the beginning of the American Civil War. Well, maybe not everyone in the US—just the South, which will wallow endlessly in its victimhood for being on the receiving end of the Northern Occupation–or at least for the next five years. And the media, of course, which already has shown over the past two years that it just can’t get enough of ignorance, bigotry and outright fantasy about the past.

This is going to be bad, horrible, even. We’re in for five years of paeans to alleged Southern valor, interminable babble about “State’s Rights,” debates about the flying of the Confederate Flag, odes by Southern politicians to the sanctity of our Christian heritage (from the part of the country that leads the US in violent crimes and executions) and our god-given right to own other human beings—no, wait. That last part won’t be talked about much. In fact, it will be denied vociferously. In fact, we’ll see, as we have for what seems like forever, interminable arguments about how the Civil War wasn’t about slavery at all. Nope. But we know better. The South may have won the memory wars, but facts are facts.

Mark Simpson, commander of the South Carolina branch of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which sponsored the ball, said the line that the war was fought over slavery was spin, used by detractors of the south to discredit them. “Slavery was an issue, yes, but only because it was the economic lifeblood of the south.”

He reacted with indignation to claims that the secession ball celebrated slavery. “Are we celebrating slavery? Absolutely not. We are celebrating that we are proud South Carolinians. Americans, yes, but also southerners.” He was not a secessionist but believed there were many parallels between the complaints of the south in the lead-up to the civil war and today’s angry mood among the American electorate. In the 1860s, the gripe of South Carolinians was that their taxes were all being spent in the north. “There’s a lot that goes on today that is not in our benefit. Where do all our taxes go?” Simpson said.

Well, Mr Simpson, if you knew anything at all, you would know that they come right back to South Carolina, that’s where—South Carolina being a “taker state,” which received $1.35 back from the federal government for every $1 in federal income tax paid (in 2005, anyway). We’ve noted this before—it’s the states of the old Confederacy that do particularly well at the federal trough. This is a part of the country where white people do a lot of complaining about welfare—but not about welfare queen states.

Note Mr. Simpson’s other point—the Civil War was not about slavery, oh no, even though slavery was the “economic lifeblood of the south.” We’ve covered this ground a surprising number of times this past year—Southern politicians conveniently forgetting the issue of Slavery in their references to, and even celebrations of, the Civil War. As Mr. Simpson observed, that slavery talk was “spin” to discredit the South. Note the assumption that the South needs any further discrediting.

The above stamp was issued in 1961 to commemorate the beginning of the Civil War, which started 100 years earlier when cadets in the Confederate Army fired on Fort Sumter. That’s right. The South started it. So why do they insist on calling it The War of Northern Aggression?


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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18 Jan 2011 07:01 #42 by Mayhem
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OooH! Predictable nonsense from yankee trash. :faint:

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18 Jan 2011 07:56 #43 by 2wlady
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Having spent a good portion of my childhood and adulthood living in Virginia, I know about Robert E. Lee and the "South."

Robert E. Lee's wealth came from his wife's family, the Custis's. When his father-in-law died, the will stated that all his slaves were to be freed. Robert E. Lee/wife inherited the estate, including the slaves. REL refused to free the slaves.

The war was mainly about states' rights, namely that states should decide whether they wanted legal slavery, not the federal government. States' rights = we want slavery.

The southern states can dress that any way they want, but that's the main reason for the Civil War. They also saw themselves as losing money while the northern states, with all their industry, had great economic growth.

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18 Jan 2011 08:32 #44 by FredHayek
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Less facts in that opinion piece, SC? Seems that the highest murder rates tend to be in northern cities. And while the South has been economically backward, it is now catching up and surpassing its Rust Belt rivals.

And as a amateur American Civil War Historian, I will be enjoying all the coverage during the 150th anniversary. Should be slightly more politically tinged than the 100th that I missed.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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18 Jan 2011 21:13 #45 by daisypusher
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Satchmo wrote: Having spent a good portion of my childhood and adulthood living in Virginia, I know about Robert E. Lee and the "South."

Robert E. Lee's wealth came from his wife's family, the Custis's. When his father-in-law died, the will stated that all his slaves were to be freed. Robert E. Lee/wife inherited the estate, including the slaves. REL refused to free the slaves.

The war was mainly about states' rights, namely that states should decide whether they wanted legal slavery, not the federal government. States' rights = we want slavery.

The southern states can dress that any way they want, but that's the main reason for the Civil War. They also saw themselves as losing money while the northern states, with all their industry, had great economic growth.


Is there documentation that REL refused to free the slaves? I find the opposite. REL was against slavery and did not own slaves (unlike Grant). He supported his family, home and state rather than support the unconstitutional act of an empire building corporatist (“American System” ) who supported crimes against humanity. The winner writes history, unfortunately, most do not look past the slogan "Lincoln freed the slaves". Yeah, the Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves about two years after the war started, affecting only Union unoccupied Confederate lands and thereby not freeing approximately 800,000 slaves currently under Union control. I guess what was good for the Confederate was not good for the Union, i.e. free slaves. tongue: Lincoln was concerned that the Union was losing the war and used this tactic and waged war on civilians to increase the chances he would win. I do have hope that future generations will come to understand the events of that time, my son did learn the facts in his history class at WJHS - I was surprised, but grateful I did not have to educate him in regards to the rest of the story.

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19 Jan 2011 08:16 #46 by 2wlady
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Here is one reference:

In his will, George Washington Parke Custis stipulated that all the Arlington slaves should be freed upon his death if the estate was found to be in good financial standing or within five years otherwise. When Custis died in 1857, Robert E. Lee—the executor of the estate—determined that the slave labor was necessary to improve Arlington's financial status. The Arlington slaves found Lee to be a more stringent taskmaster than his predacessor. Eleven slaves were “hired out” while others were sent to the Pamunkey River estates. In accordance with Custis's instructions, Lee officially freed the slaves on December 29, 1862.


http://www.nps.gov/arho/historyculture/slavery.htm

And another:

Although the will provided for the slaves to be emancipated "in such a manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper," Lee found himself in need of funds to pay his father-in-law's debts and repair the properties he had inherited; he decided to make money during the five years that the will had allowed him control of the slaves by hiring them out to neighboring plantations and to eastern Virginia (where there were more jobs to be found). The decision caused dissatisfaction among Custis's slaves, who had been given to understand that they were to be made free as soon as Custis died.


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