Science Chic wrote: I don't read the HuffPo, and don't think I've ever quoted anything from there, but you give it a much worse rap than it deserves considering the number of independent, non-paid writers that contribute to it. Just curious, have you ever background checked one any of the writers at the sources you usually cite?
So how much do you think a teacher is worth? $56,500 is hardly a kings ransom.....and is probably less than an equally educated person would make in the private sector even when you add in the $43,000 in benefits (though I find that figure highly suspect as do many others that read the article). If we do not invest in good teachers we will be raising a generation of un-educated or under-educated young adults. Oh wait.....we already are, so lets make it even more unattractive for people to become teachers. maybe we can get computers to teach our kids and save lots of money......and what shall we do with all the money we save......why give it to the wealthiest 1% of americans and the big corporations. yep, sounds like a conservative plan to me.
Sarcasm aside, I personally don't think you can over pay good teachers.....the education of my children was very important to me, and the really wonderful teachers she had were worth every penny our county paid them.
archer wrote: So how much do you think a teacher is worth? $56,500 is hardly a kings ransom.....and is probably less than an equally educated person would make in the private sector even when you add in the $43,000 in benefits (though I find that figure highly suspect as do many others that read the article). If we do not invest in good teachers we will be raising a generation of un-educated or under-educated young adults. Oh wait.....we already are, so lets make it even more unattractive for people to become teachers. maybe we can get computers to teach our kids and save lots of money......and what shall we do with all the money we save......why give it to the wealthiest 1% of americans and the big corporations. yep, sounds like a conservative plan to me.
Sarcasm aside, I personally don't think you can over pay good teachers.....the education of my children was very important to me, and the really wonderful teachers she had were worth every penny our county paid them.
I don't think a teacher's compensation should be based on years on the job, but on ability. This is the main problem with union scale. We can't throw out the bad teachers because of it.
why shouldn't experience be rewarded? It is in private business......both ability and experiance should be rewarded. Would you really stay in the same job for 30 years if there was no raise in pay for your experience and years of service? If a teacher is really bad there are ways to get rid of them.....or ways to trnasfer them to a different job that may fit their abilities better. The whole idea of tenure protects teachers from the whims of disgruntled parents, and/or principals. I don't have a huge problem with that.......but i think better criteria could be worked out with the unions for discharging a teacher who doesn't meet standards. If however, the legislature and governor refuse to sit down and talk to the unions....then absolutely nothing gets accomplished. It becomes tyrrany by government, and that is not productive.
archer wrote: why shouldn't experience be rewarded? It is in private business......both ability and experiance should be rewarded. Would you really stay in the same job for 30 years if there was no raise in pay for your experience and years of service? If a teacher is really bad there are ways to get rid of them.....or ways to trnasfer them to a different job that may fit their abilities better. The whole idea of tenure protects teachers from the whims of disgruntled parents, and/or principals. I don't have a huge problem with that.......but i think better criteria could be worked out with the unions for discharging a teacher who doesn't meet standards. If however, the legislature and governor refuse to sit down and talk to the unions....then absolutely nothing gets accomplished. It becomes tyrrany by government, and that is not productive.
If a first year teacher has more ability and gets better results than a teacher with 30 years of experience, the first year teacher should get paid more, while the 30 year teacher should be demoted and have his pay cut or fired. That is how it works in the private sector.
conifermtman wrote: If a first year teacher has more ability and gets better results than a teacher with 30 years of experience, the first year teacher should get paid more, while the 30 year teacher should be demoted and have his pay cut or fired. That is how it works in the private sector.
Not sure where you have worked, but I never saw that in private business. Sure some hot-shots would scoot up the ladder right by more seasoned employees, but for the most part employees made more money the longer they stayed with a company and they were rewarded for their experience AND their abilities, I rarely saw someone get their pay cut and demoted.....usually they were either fired or stayed stagnant. I suspect there would be mutiny in any organization if it was common practice that when someone came in right out of college within a year they were making more than a 30 year veteran of that same organization.
Wait, I've found something from a completely "unbiased" news source. Well, maybe not...but Rush sure nails it. And who, better than grade school teachers, would know a temper tantrum when they see one. It's all about the kids right....you know, the ones who have been deprived of their invaluable public education for several days now by the teachers who are "all about kids. It's priceless stuff.
But they aren't doing that because the Wisconsin public sector salaries are way out of line compared to most people in the private sector. They cannot paint pictures of hardship. By the way, we always hear about liberals and everything they do is "for the children." Does this constitute "for the children"? Does this not look like a bunch of bullying to you? I thought we were teaching in schools about bullying and how not to be bullies and what to do if you are bullied -- and who now are the bullies? The Democrats, the leftists, their media supporters, the union members! Wisconsin has more than 300,000... Now, listen to this: Wisconsin has more than 300,000 public sector employees.
Now, reportedly many of them, such as teachers in Madison, get health care benefits worth more than $22,000 a year -- "free," quote, unquote. "Free," meaning they don't pay much for it, and that's one of the changes that the governor wants to implement: Have 'em pay a little bit of their own health care benefit. There are 300,000 public sector employees, many of them teachers with health care benefits worth more than $22,000 a year. You do the math. Just health care benefits: $22,000 times 300,000. Speaking of the media, where are all the headlines about the protesters in Wisconsin throwing a "temper tantrum"?
We always hear about Tea Party temper tantrums, voter temper tantrums. Here we have one. We have a genuine, petulant, immature, tireless bunch of bottom-feeder freeloaders acting in a temper tantrum. The unions in Washington are hiding behind "the children," the unions in Wisconsin are hiding behind "the children." They're using children as human shields, just like leftists and terrorists always do. Whoa! How else would you describe this? I have to admit, I'm seeing all these demonstrators and the kind of people involved... Now, I don't really hope this but I'm saying this to make a point. What would happen if the unions win and Governor Walker's reforms get defeated?
And PLEASE save your faux exasperation with the source I cite. I don't care what you think...I really don't.
When a young woman, 17-years of age, can see through the irony (tragedy) of what's going on at this circus in Wisconsin, you have to wonder why the adults involved in this travesty can't.
RUSH: We have Lena on the phone from Madison, Wisconsin, 17 years old.
CALLER: ....I was at the capitol all week this week for a government leadership class, and as we were walking around the capitol one of the main signs that the union it printed out said, "Care about our educators the way they care about your children," and I found that incredibly ironic, since what they were essentially saying with all their other signs is -- other than your student will feel the brunt of this bill -- was that they weren't going to teach as well if they had to pay a minuscule amount of their pensions and their insurance costs. And I just found that ironic that they said that they cared about them so much that they wouldn't teach them as well if they didn't get as much money. I found that incredibly ironic...
RUSH: Well, but they don't care about the students! It's obvious! They're lying about calling in sick.
This young woman DOES nail it. The teachers not only don't seem to care about their students who aren't learning while the sorry-assed teachers are protesting, the teachers are also demonstrating that they (like their looney, Wisconsin Democrat lawmakers who are holed up somewhere in Illinios) don't possess a shred of integrity and called in sick when they aren't.
Excellent role models, don't you think? The teachers should let their union strongmen do their bidding and the lawmakers should get their candied-asses back to the state house so they can do the work the people (not the unions) elected them to do. If bullsh** were electricity, these teachers and their AWOL Democrat lawmakers would be a virtual dynamo.
By the way, the fact that the young woman is home schooled may explain how she was able to arrive at the conclusions independently at such a young age.
Watched on the news as a medical professional signed people up for & handed out doctor ordered sick leave forms so they could stay stay away from work & protest. The young gal was asking the procedure and the doc told her all about how it wworked. The dishonesty & selfishness was apalling. These are the people Wisconsin entrusts their children's education and community safety to? Hope they get their fraud uncovered and they fire the lot of them...
outdoor338 wrote: Watched on the news as a medical professional signed people up for & handed out doctor ordered sick leave forms so they could stay stay away from work & protest. The young gal was asking the procedure and the doc told her all about how it wworked. The dishonesty & selfishness was apalling. These are the people Wisconsin entrusts their children's education and community safety to? Hope they get their fraud uncovered and they fire the lot of them...
Saw that too OD, pretty disguusting. They won't be fired unless they are caught on camera molesting a student...even then the union would probably fight to get them off. I feel sorry for the 'working' parents who have to take days off now to be with their kids.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
