Top Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is Not a Religion of Peace

Some trivia on "turn the other cheek"

In Middle east culture - you'd never touch another person with your left hand --- even in anger. (this is a social practice that was well preserved by the Arabs - but pre-dates Islam)

Jesus said - if someone strikes you on the right cheek - turn and give him your left.

Think about it

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if someone just struck me on the right cheek - that's a back-handed slap.

Jesus then says "turn and give him your left" (an invitation to a full-forced forehand slap).

Jesus had similar teachings - but my point is this:

If you study Islamic culture - you suddenly see light shed on the teachings of Jesus.

I agree we all fall short, but where in the New Testament does Christ call for violence against those who do not follow him?

Ok, now I'm really confused.....I always thought the Bible was both the New Testament and the Old Testament......if you are going to discount the Old Testament and say that is not part of the Bible's teachings, then could not the muslims be given the same courtesy to discount the portion of the Koran that promotes violence, or paints them in a bad light. I really am looking for answers here...I was raised a Christian, consider myself one, but never had any illusions about the Bible being a book of peace, some parts of it are pretty scary as I recall (I'm sure you can tell it's been a long time since I opened a Bible)

I'm not discounting the Old Testament. Christians no longer live under the old law. We live under the New Covenant which does not call believers to violence.

I think that is the point here....if Christians no longer live under the old law, excepting, it seems, for some fringe/fanatical groups.....then how can we condemn muslims who say they don't live under a violent law but follow the peaceful teachings of the Koran, not the violent teachings? Are those who use the Koran as a basis for violence a fringe/fanatical element or the mainstream muslims?

The Koran tells them they are 100% in agreement or they are subject to death. You cannot compare the Bible to the Koran. You cannot compare Christ to Muhammad. Christ is the example of God. Muhammand is the example of Allah. Spend a little time reading Mosab Hassan Yousef's blog. If anyone is an expert, it's him.

One of the biggest lies that has kept Islam alive is the belief that there is a difference between radical and moderate Islam. Islam is one, no matter where someone stands on the ladder between culture and jihad.

Another is the nature of Muhammad. Today, 1.5 billion Muslims follow a man they don’t know. Modern Muhammad is the creation of their imaginations. He bears no resemblance to the vile man who built a self-serving dynasty by oppressing his people and killing, in God’s name, everyone who opposed him.

On the other hand, today’s despots bear a striking likeness to the true Muhammad. Mubarak, Gaddafi, Ahmadinejad are Islamic leaders who get their strength from Islam and maintain their iron grip by Islam. They are the same stripe as caliphs from Muhammad and Abu Bakr to Al-Mustansir Billah and Abdul Majid.


http://sonofhamas.wordpress.com/2011/02/

Here's a couple of scriptures that reveal God's heart and a site that does a pretty good job explaining the events in the OT.

Ezekiel 33:11 I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live.

Ezekiel 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

"So to sum it up now putting all these verses together we see that God didn't always do what He really wanted to do, but sometimes gave in to the whims of of the people, and the whims of the people were sometimes savage and violent, until Jesus came and told the people that they didn't really know God, or follow Him (see Judaizers and Holy Racism for proof of how things changed and what transpired once Jesus came onto the scene and demonstrated the true ways of God.) It's clear that the slaying and killing in the OT is not really the true will of God, but it's what the people wanted, so God gave it to them. Lastly we can see how Jesus proved this through His life, and the lives and deaths of His disciples and all of the martyrs."

"Now that we are in NT times, as stated before, many things changed upon the arrival of Christ. Killing in the name of God is no longer permitted, Jesus has unequivocably shown the true way to be and done away with many of the old ways. As far as things like the crusades, or people who blow up abortion clinics, or Hitler going under the banner of the Catholic church...this is very easy to figure out. These people were not Christians. Just because you claim to be one, doesn't mean you are one.
If you saw some man with a shaved head and a bright orange robe, armed with a rifle, shooting at school children, would you believe him if he said he was a Buddhist and believed in the teachings of Buddha? Come on people, use your heads, there are LIARS in this world. Do you really think Christianity is immune from hypocrites? Don't be so naive."


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Muhammand is the example of Allah

Absolutely not. The Quran makes it clear that Muhammad is "just a man."

Muhammad is the example of obedience to Allah. (although Muslims do not believe that he was a perfect in his obedience - a distinction that is reserved for Jesus in the Quran).

The Bible is unique in its claims of the divinity of Christ (a key Christian belief).

Muslims do not worship Muhammad the way that Christians worship Christ.

In fact - this is one of the key points of dispute between Muslims and Christians.

Absolutely not. The Quran makes it clear that Muhammad is "just a man."

Well, those are Mosab Hassan Yousef's EXACT words. He said, and I wrote it down as he said it, "Muhammad is the example of Allah and Christ is the example of God". He grew up in the religion and knows it better than probably most here on this forum, including myself.

BTW, maybe we can get back on topic??

Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

Muslims do not worship Muhammad the way that Christians worship Christ.

Yeah, you're right - they kill people. When Muslims are killing the infidels, they are earning their salvation. This statement came straight from Mosab Hassan Yousef. I think he would know.

bailey bud wrote: Sorry - I don't find the critical methods of Islam's critics all that persuasive. (ironic - since I'm a Christian)

Most of the critical methods used in critiques of Islam - if applied even-handed - would also lead to the same criticisms of the Judeo-Christian faith. (I.e. - you would conclude that Christianity is not a religion of peace).

You end up with one of two possible conclusions: a) Both Islam and Christianity are religions of hate; or b) The critical method is flawed. I'm not ready to accept conclusion A (LJ likely would) - so I go with B.

For example - the conquest described in the Quran (see Surah 9) was related to a specific period of time. It is not unlike the Conquest of Canaan in the Bible. Removing the context is proof-texting. As Christians, we don't appreciate having our Bible proof-texted. (i.e. - Joshua - to answer Archer's question). Proof texting - whether applied to the Quran or the Bible - makes fallible conclusions.

I'd note that Islam doesn't have a corner on violence in the world. There are Drug Lords in South America, for example (Catholics, in general) who kill hundreds - maybe even thousands of people annually. There are Hindu extremists in India and Sri Lanka who have raked up impressive body counts, as well. If you go back to the end of the 15th century - Spain (a Christian country) butchered Jews, Muslims, and I'm sure other groups of individuals. Again - we either conclude that both Islam and Christianity are murderous faiths (a conclusion drawn by more than one person) - or we conclude that maybe the murderous actions of adherents don't necessarily match the values of the faith. (my conclusion).

In fact - as Christians - we regularly assert that "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of G-d." -- which is why we can't judge G-d by the actions of His followers. (the universiality of sin argument)

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Since all you liberals share the same logic, why don't you just pick one representative to post here on the forum?