Top Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is Not a Religion of Peace

1. But.......a cat stinks too.

You're funny. :thumbsup:

Just found this little nugget:

Choudary Admits Truth About Islam

For his part, Choudary is clear about Islam and its goals. "You can't say that Islam is a religion of peace," Choudary told CBN News. "Because Islam does not mean peace. Islam means submission. So the Muslim is one who submits. There is a place for violence in Islam. There is a place for jihad in Islam."

When CBN asked the Muslim leader what he thought of the subway and bus bombings in London on July 7, 2005, Choudary expressed his hearty support:

"For the people who carried it out, it was legitimate," he replied. "If you look at the will of the 7/7 bombers Mohammed Siddique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, they would be justified. And there are many verses from the Koran and many statements to say that's the Islamic argument. And that is a difficult Islamic argument to refute. And there are many scholars who support that argument as well."

Choudary says his group is merely following core Islamic teachings and that Islam is much more than a religion.

"This particular belief is more than just a religion," he declared. "It is not just a spiritual belief. It is, in fact, an ideology which you believe in and you struggle for and you are willing even to die for, because you believe in that: That is your whole life."
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So I guess this makes 2 well-known muslims who claim Islam is not a religion of peace.

BTW, Mr. Bean or whatever his name is, called me a liberal earlier and I'm not. I'm not sure how you arrived at that flawed conclusion.

The Koran includes the teachings of Jesus and he is named as a prophet in the Koran, to be revered.

If you think Christians no longer follow the Old Testament, then what do you think of Jewish people who only read the Old Testament and not the New... who don't believe in Jesus Christ?

As far as the statement that there is no violence in the New Testament, that is wrong:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned with unquenchable fire. Matthew 3:10-12

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20-24

For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it Matthew 10.35-39 (it also sounds a lot like the teachings of Mao)

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12

Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. Luke 10:10-15

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." John 6:53-66

As far as Islam teaching all other religions are inferior and only Islam should survive...the Bible preaches much the same thing:

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For the love of God is this, that we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith. Who is it that conquers the world but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 Jn 5.1-5

In that respect, the New Testament teaches submission as well. Submission to God and to the teachings of Jesus.

Thanks kresspin, I thought there were references in even the New Testiment to violence against people/unbelievers......perhaps what we have is not a problem with religion, it's with people who take the "good word", be it the Bible or the Koran, and use it to justify their bad behavior. We see it here in the US with some religious groups that justify protesting at veterans funerals, or the killing of abortion doctors....and we certainly see it in the middle east with the terrorists and jihad. People who want to kill, to control others, to terrify and intimidate will find their justification somewhere and religion is a perfect excuse.

kresspin wrote: BTW, Mr. Bean or whatever his name is, called me a liberal earlier and I'm not. I'm not sure how you arrived at that flawed conclusion.

I judge your stance on this issue as liberal. If it quacks like a duck..........

kresspin wrote: If you think Christians no longer follow the Old Testament, then what do you think of Jewish people who only read the Old Testament and not the New... who don't believe in Jesus Christ?

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kresspin wrote: Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

He was foretelling of the killing of the Christians by the Roman Empire.

kresspin wrote: Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it Matthew 10.35-39 (it also sounds a lot like the teachings of Mao)

This tells how the non-Christian will surrender the Christian to be thrown to the lion or to be crucified.

kresspin wrote: Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20-24

Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. Luke 10:10-15

These are foretellings of the fate of those cities. They were not destroyed by Christians but were destroyed by the Romans and other conquerers.

None of your examples show that Christianity teaches violence against anyone. Christians are not called to arms. In fact Jesus teaches that his kingdom is not of this world and states that if his kingdom was of this world he would have called his disciples to raise up weapons but he did not do so.

His teachings tell how the world will prosecute his followers.

Please educate yourself concerning that which you would defame. If you are educated in these matters then you are being intellectually dishonest.

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1. But.........a cat stinks too.

Back to the original topic of this thread. Enough deflection by liberals.

MB you're dead on, Kresspin is way off base with her scripture..

I find it odd, some people who call themselves Christians here, don't even know the bible..Many in the church today believe that they now that they have "believed in Jesus" they can sin as much as they want or more because they are born-again sons of God that can never lose that status with God. They have confessed Christ as Lord with their mouth at some point, and now they are living pretty much as they want to. There is not that true respect for the authority of Jesus Christ in their lives. They are pretty sure the blood of Jesus covers them no matter what they do, say or believe now. Some of them may actually condemn those who teach the need to be faithful to Jesus Christ. There is no mix between islam and christianity!

I know my Bible very well, thanks ---- It is the book that I've chosen to follow. I know it considerably better than the Quran - which I'd say I know a little better than the average person. I'm hardly an expert on either - but I do know that neither holy book was intended for political purposes.

That said - the politically motivated methods that we as Christians often use to criticize Islam - if applied equally toward Christianity - would lead us to the same conclusions. Since I don't agree with the conclusion, I've concluded that the critical methods used are wrong.

The Christian faith is a little quick, in my opinion - to demonize Muslims. Muslims are humans - not demons - and have assembled a religious system that is just as flawed as any human religion.

I do not subscribe to the tenants of Islam. However, I do not agree with the politically motivated trend of marginalizing or demonizing Muslims. My beliefs are based on 4 years of living with and around Muslims, and more importantly, a careful study of the way that Jesus Christ treated other human beings. I don't think this stance conflicts with the Christian faith.

We don't need to create a demon - folks. One's enough.

Jesus called a spade a spade. That is what got him killed.

The Bible teaches me that Jesus died for the atonement of our sins. God had it planned before Jesus was born.

That's what got him killed.

kresspin, that was the effect and result. The immediate cause which motivated those who carried out the killing which resulted in the fulfilment of the prophecy was as I stated.

Please be honest. Or if you do not know, go read the four gospels.