Conifer Park & Rec Sign Vandalized! See Photo

At least I can click and read links here.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people instantly throw out accusations without any proof either way.

ALL possibilities are...........valid. BUT there is a group "us and them" culture up here that is polar and at times mean and isolated.

Well, whoever (or whatever) tore that eyesore of a sign looks to be guilty of littering and should be sentenced to sit on the Group W bench.

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deltamrey wrote: ALL possibilities are...........valid. BUT there is a group "us and them" culture up here that is polar and at times mean and isolated.

Excellent observation, deltamrey.

So homemade signs cost nothing to make now? *truly baffled by that viewpoint*

Del is right. And I'm starting to see the appeal of hermitages.

LH - the meanness is manifested in the vandalism and intolerance I see here.......intimidation on 285, rudeness, disrespect for structure and authority, bars at times occupied with scruffbags and burned out women..........we have a real problem. I personally tend toward Evergreen and walk out of a local establishment when the bottom feeders appear. Civilization is creeping up the mountain (thank goodness) and once incorporated Conifer will stop most of the backward behavior - I am regardless optimistic.

Darling, those people have always been here. Those people where here when the town was founded 150 years ago. Those people came along for the ride when the first settlements were built in the U.S. You act like this area is as bad as the five points area of Manhattan in the early 1800s - yet I doubt anyone has been by to shoot at you or stab you for living in the wrong district, or fist fighting each other over the privelege of putting out a fire on your burning building.

You make a personal decision, deciding because of how they look, they must indeed be "bottom feeders". When in reality they look just like ranchers on the western slope and eastern plains, and some of them locally actually are. It takes a really special occasion to make a rancher dress up, and they don't see the point of wasting a lot of cash on designer clothes - llamas, cows, horses, goats, sheep, pigs don't care. Would you go into Saguache county, Gunnison county, Montrose county and tell them they're bottom feeders for doing an honest days work and getting together with their friends in the mornings at the local restaurant after morning chores, or in the local bar after evening chores? Other side of the state - Yuma, Kit Carson, Cheyenne, etc counties - same industry, same style of dress. Same amount of hard working attitude. If a hardworking rancher or a farmer is a bottom feeder, what does that say about our country and our attitudes?

You make this areas sound like it's inhabited by the scum of the earth, people who stepped out of the 1800s and live like that as well. The wild west was never wild, and certainly not around here. It was farmers, ranchers, some miners. It was businesses run by individuals in small towns where the farmers, ranchers, and miners congregated and used their services. Yep, some mining towns were more bars and brothels than any other business, but you'll note most of those towns no longer exist. Yes, a LOT of the small towns across the country have the same attitudes - they cannot support unneccessary growth, see no need for an Ikea in the foothills, or building yet another business when so many already sit empty.

Some people are just plain nasty and that is how they are - you can figure it out rather quickly. As long as the economy sucks and gas prices keep rising, other folks around here are going to be on thin nerves. Thin nerves easily take offense to terms like "backwards" and "bottom feeders" and "ignorant" - especially when they are none of the above.

The vandalism? Uncalled for and childish, whoever did it - an adult or a kid. If it was done by an animal, that's a whole different picture. If it was caused by the weather - we did have snow, the sign is partly posterboard, posterboard does give up when wet - then so be it, even though it does look torn to me.

But there is a level of reality that must be accepted - higher taxes on overburdened people aren't going to be tolerated, especially taxes for something that is not needed in an underpopulated area - and if Park County, large as it is, is only at 51% occupancy of its existing homes and structures, I'd like to also see what the stats are for this corner of unincorporated Jeffco was as well, because I'm guessing the stats are similar. Who then pays these taxes? Who then uses these facilities? A small number of people? Why change a perfectly functional park, with many facilities already - the VFW hall -often rentable, cabins, camp sites, a bark park, an obstacle course, a frizbee golf course, maintained hiking trails, even events on occasion by the forest service- what more is actually needed?

You note I'm not name calling, I'm not degrading people for thinking differently, I am asking questions to get people to think.

Sometimes change is NOT needed, required or wanted. You want to stimulate the economy - then see if you personally can get the businesses you think should be up here into these buildings. Then try to get the businesses that will actually succeed. Understand that a lot of businesses that where here left not because they were mismanaged, or failing, or poorly thought out(though some were) - a goodly percentage left because of the landlords, who own a great number of the buildings up here and who charge the same rate per square foot that you would find in NYC or LA, when that is unrealistic for the community. Or they offered services no one wants here - honestly, do we need designer furniture, or would we be better served by a Farm and Fleet type of store? I have yet to see any of the feed and seed businesses go out up here.

Civilization has already been on the mountain for over 150 years - check out the local history - it's just not your type of civilization. Not everyone can cope with the small town lifestyle, the farming and ranching community lifestyle. That is why cities exist as well, for those who prefer that life. Those who live up here chose it mainly because of the lifestyle - so why should they be forced to give that up for a very small number who perfer the city lifestyle?

You are surrounded by a plethora of successful writers, artists, craftsmen, but you don't see them because you choose not to. College professors, business owners, some very rich people indeed live up here, and those same people are also speaking out against a new rec district, and have voted against it in the past. Yes, there are poor people up here, yes some never got further than a high school education, but that doesn't make them bottom feeders. They own, run, or work in the businesses you go to. There are even more college educated folk up here, working up here or working in Denver, or even working in different parts of the world or from home. They chose this area because of what it was like in the 60s, 70s, 80s, even now people move here because it is NOT a city.

What will become of the area if you make it just like a city and more people move away, looking for the lifestyle they had here before?

deltamrey wrote: LH - the meanness is manifested in the vandalism and intolerance I see here.......intimidation on 285, rudeness, disrespect for structure and authority, bars at times occupied with scruffbags and burned out women..........we have a real problem. I personally tend toward Evergreen and walk out of a local establishment when the bottom feeders appear. Civilization is creeping up the mountain (thank goodness) and once incorporated Conifer will stop most of the backward behavior - I am regardless optimistic.

I am curious what you mean by intimdation on 285 - I've only had to deal with the occasional asshat, and I live up here past Shaffer's Crossing. In fact, I deal with a lot more people who think they own the road the minute I hit 470 and on every road in the city. I highly doubt you're being singled out.

Backward behavior is the wave of the future - pay attention to it. Society is trending back toward the life our grandparents and great grands lived in the 1920s and 30s - more of your neighbors wll be owning chickens and small livestock, especially if their property is zoned agricultural. More will be gardening, and handcrafting - knitting, weaving, spinning, crochet are all on the rise. Go ask them at Knit Knook how their business is increasing, ask Rivendale Farms how her alpaca yarns are more in demand than ever. People are going to relearn how to build their own decks and sheds, fix their own cars, buy a quality item that will last for years, even decades, rather than Aeopostale goods that last less than four months.

Talk to local craftsmen - the blacksmiths, the potters, seamstresses, hell even milliners like me - business is picking up because people want quality handmade items made right here rather than cheap chinese crap that breaks or wears out in weeks or days even.

Go to the farmer's markets around here this summer - you're going to see just how busy they are as more people can their own veggies, freeze them, make their own soaps. Now is the time to have a craft store up here, a fabric store, even sewing machine repair.

Backwards behavior is the new future. Just check the social media - it's all over the place. The lifestyle of the 80s and 90s is gone, and likely going to take just as long to return.

Beware - the neighbors are going to be hanging their laundry out too!

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