Israeli Family Slaughtered by Palestinians

Since they are outnumbered by a much larger percentage than your figures show, and they have been targets, whether those targeting have been successful or not or not, doesn't change the fact that Israel has tried for years to cooperate with the Peace Talks, but always the Palestinians start attacking again.

Remember that if the Palestinians decided truly to have Peace they would have it. If the Palestinians lay down their arms and their rocks, they would have Peace. If Israel laid down its arms, they would be wiped off the Planet!

Israel has had to become good at Defending themselves.

If the Palestinians were more accurate with their rockets, there would have been more Israeli deaths, not that they haven't tried!!

Another important question is, how many unprovoked deaths have been caused by the Israelis? As long as I can remember, it seems like Israel always retaliates after being struck first. With their horrific history still pretty fresh in their minds, I really don't blame them for using a gun when attacked first by a knife (or a rocket).

I have been lucky enough to spend alot of time in Israel over my 20 years in the Navy. Never had a problem with them not liking us or wanting to get rid of us. Took many of the tours, one especially was the best, the one to the holy city.

Every where we went the Israeli military treated us with nothing but respect. It was returned. The one main thing we noticed was that alot of folks carried weapons. When we asked about that we were told they were part of the self defense force. If I got attacked as much as they get attacked I think I would be the same way. They seem to have to defend themselves at every turn. Still would not want to piss them off, they are not scared of much of anything. They have held back in the past only because they were asked to by the US. This was after attacked by Saddam believe they were called scud missles.

Now they are doing what they feel is in the best interest of thier country. Kinda like our government does. They will do whatever they need to do to protect themselves.. As they should.

bailey bud wrote: The quick and willing tendency to portray all of Palestine as endorsing these murders is part of the problem. There has been abundant rejection and condemnation of the crime. Yet - sources such as your insist on painting a portrait that acceptance - and even celebration of murder is widespread. In my experience - that image is incorrect.

Another part is the assumption that murders like these are about religion.

A careful study of the issue would likely falsify both assumptions.

Stereotype and hatred is kind of easy (on either side)

Problem is - it won't solve anything.

BB, I agree with your second point that this is not about religion. It seem to me it is about generations growing up seeped in hate.

How is the POV of this link false?


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

The fact of the matter is that many in America, along with several on this thread, HATE JEWS! I have run into a number of these types of people in my lifetime. Now they are always the first people to talk to me about "tolerance" but for some weird reason they hate Jews and realize they would look foolish if they publicly admitted this.

I grew up with many Jewish people and have nothing but respect for their family values and work ethic so I don't understand where this deep seated hatred towards Jewish people comes from...but it's obvious to me not only in this forum but even in recent US policy.

These folks don't know why they hate Jewish people...they just do. I understand why they can't admit it but rather try to hide their hatred in the words they speak and write. I just don't understand where this hatred comes from.

neptunechimney wrote:

bailey bud wrote: The quick and willing tendency to portray all of Palestine as endorsing these murders is part of the problem. There has been abundant rejection and condemnation of the crime. Yet - sources such as your insist on painting a portrait that acceptance - and even celebration of murder is widespread. In my experience - that image is incorrect.

Another part is the assumption that murders like these are about religion.

A careful study of the issue would likely falsify both assumptions.

Stereotype and hatred is kind of easy (on either side)

Problem is - it won't solve anything.

BB, I agree with your second point that this is not about religion. It seem to me it is about generations growing up seeped in hate.

How is the POV of this link false?


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

Which article NC? You link is to The Corner - you might be a little more specific.


( I think you are referring to this one:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/26 ... mark-steyn

Let me know if that is the wrong one.)

I read the article -

The act was vulgar, murderous, and wrong.

Three things:

a) We don't do any service to truth if we paint this as an action widely endorsed by Palestinians.
b) We won't be able to stop the murderous pattern if we insist on examining these events with an "Us vs. them" view.
c) This was a murder - politicizing a murder does a disservice to everyone .

(the below Jewish author happens to agree)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... r-1.349258

bailey bud wrote: I read the article -

The act was vulgar, murderous, and wrong.

Three things:

a) We don't do any service to truth if we paint this as an action widely endorsed by Palestinians.
b) We won't be able to stop the murderous pattern if we insist on examining these events with an "Us vs. them" view.
c) This was a murder - politicizing a murder does a disservice to everyone .

(the below Jewish author happens to agree)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... r-1.349258

tm, yes thanks. bb, also thanks. I guess even ether Stein or Shtrasler are blinded by their bias or is lying. I appreciate your input as someone who has been there.

In my opinion - Stein's view is tainted:

There is no shortage of young Muslim men who would enjoy slitting the throat of a three-month old baby, and then head home dreaming of the town square or soccer tournament to be named in their honor.

This is a widely held beleif. Israel takes bus loads of kids to Auschwitz, and says the same thing to them. My limited exposure to Muslims, as well as Palestinians, suggests otherwise. Then again - my host country didn't tolerate hatred, and would promptly deport anyone they thought held the kind of views described above.

I should confess

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I haven't been in Palestine - but I have been to a Palestinian camp. Nowhere in the camp did I encounter these views. Granted - there was a strong dislike of Israel - but the people I met saw a difference between the political entity (which systematically marginalized them) and the people.

Our willingness to embace Stein's view creates a sense of paralysis - rendering us unable to respond to Arabs (in American version - Muslims) - with anything but fear.

Bailey Bud:

You keep your view which tells you that they are a Peace Loving people, and I, for one, will keep my view, which tells me that they would slit my throat without a moment's notice.

I could tell true stories of examples that say exactly the opposite than yours.