Q******* Marriages Passes State Senate

From my POV, the legislation falls in line with what the voters decided. From the perspective of the state, all the marriage license does, and all this bill does, is recognize that two individuals have decided to enter into a legal state where their lives and their property are shared rather than kept separate. I would be a lot happier if the state got rid of the marriage license entirely and issued instead a recognition of civil union to everyone and left marriage to the realm of religion where it properly belongs. And I personally don't see the difference of allowing 3, or more, people to enter into that agreement with each other when you get right down to the brass tacks of it.

I am hoping it passes and that Hick signs it. I am encouraging Representative Massey to support it with his vote when it comes before the House. The citizens of Colorado rightly decided that marriage is the union between a man and a woman, but they didn't say that they wanted to deny to anyone the right to enter into a legal contract such that their lives and their property were jointly, rather than individually, recognized - which is precisely what the civil union bill does.

PrintSmith wrote: From my POV, the legislation falls in line with what the voters decided. From the perspective of the state, all the marriage license does, and all this bill does, is recognize that two individuals have decided to enter into a legal state where their lives and their property are shared rather than kept separate. I would be a lot happier if the state got rid of the marriage license entirely and issued instead a recognition of civil union to everyone and left marriage to the realm of religion where it properly belongs. And I personally don't see the difference of allowing 3, or more, people to enter into that agreement with each other when you get right down to the brass tacks of it.

I am hoping it passes and that Hick signs it. I am encouraging Representative Massey to support it with his vote when it comes before the House. The citizens of Colorado rightly decided that marriage is the union between a man and a woman, but they didn't say that they wanted to deny to anyone the right to enter into a legal contract such that their lives and their property were jointly, rather than individually, recognized - which is precisely what the civil union bill does.

You don't need a special class of "marriage" called civil union to have a contract in Colorado. The homosexuals have never proven their rights are violated - reason is - they know all of the rights and contractual agreements can be put into place now!. The sole purpose is to have government recognize their perversion as a normal lifestyle. Perverts are perverts ....thanks for taking the bait Printsmith...hook, line, and sinker.

residenttroll wrote: You don't need a special class of "marriage" called civil union to have a contract in Colorado. The homosexuals have never proven their rights are violated - reason is - they know all of the rights and contractual agreements can be put into place now!. The sole purpose is to have government recognize their perversion as a normal lifestyle. Perverts are perverts ....thanks for taking the bait Printsmith...hook, line, and sinker.

True enough RT, all one need do to enter into a legally binding contract with someone else is to declare verbally that they wish to do so. Where it gets sticky is when either of the parties in the verbal contract, or someone who wasn't present when it was made, challenge whether or not a contract was entered into by the individuals. That's why it is usually a good idea to have that contract in writing, signed by both parties in the presence of a witness who is named and affixes their signature as such. That is what the civil union document will be. A legally binding and enforceable contract between two people whose signatures are affixed in the presence of a witness that they wish to enter into a legal contract to have their lives and their property recognized as being jointly shared rather than individually. It is a legal contract RT, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, but they aren't allowed to have these contracts because they're all preverts and qweers.

towermonkey wrote: Yes, but they aren't allowed to have these contracts because they're all preverts and qweers.

Too much MMJ again?

They don't need a civil union to enter into the contract - and there is nothing prohibiting perverts or queers to enter into a Colorado contract provided the agreement is not illegal activity. By the way, married couples should get a civil union contract if they pass....it has more protections than marriage in Colorado.

residenttroll wrote: [Too bad too many people in Colorado don't care.....just shows what lots of money can buy you in Colorado...it can buy you legal special rights.

What special rights? Can you please list the special rights being bought?

That brings up a good question. Can a man and a woman execute this civil union or is it only allowed between same sexes?

Nobody that matters wrote:

residenttroll wrote: [Too bad too many people in Colorado don't care.....just shows what lots of money can buy you in Colorado...it can buy you legal special rights.

What special rights? Can you please list the special rights being bought?

The Civil Union is a special right...knucklehead. It only applies to perverts.


The legal benefits, protections, and responsibilities that are granted
under the law to spouses shall apply in like manner to parties to a civil
union, including the following:
! Responsibility for financial support of a party to a civil
union;
! Rights and abilities concerning transfer of real or personal
property to a party in a civil union;
! The ability to file a claim based on wrongful death,
emotional distress, loss of consortium, dramshop, or other
laws, whether common law or statutory, related to or
dependent upon spousal status;
! The ability to inherit real and personal property from a
party in a civil union under the probate code;
! Priority for appointment as a conservator, guardian, or
personal representative;
! Survivor benefits under and inclusion in workers'
compensation laws;
! The ability to adopt a child of a party to a civil union;
! The ability to insure a party to a civil union under group
benefit plans for state employees;
! The ability to designate a party in a civil union as a
beneficiary under the state public employees retirement
system;
! Survivor benefits under local government firefighter and
police pensions;
! Protections and coverage under domestic abuse and
domestic violence laws;
! Rights and protections under victims' compensation laws
and victims and witness protection laws;
! Protections and responsibilities relating to emergency and
-2- SB11-172nonemergency medical care and treatment and hospital
visitation;
! Rights to visit a party in a civil union in a correctional
facility, jail, or private contract prison or in a facility
receiving mental health treatment;
! The ability to file a complaint about the care or treatment
of a party in a civil union in a nursing home;
! Rights relating to declarations concerning the
administration, withholding, or withdrawing of medical
treatment, proxy decision-makers and surrogate
decision-makers, CPR directives, or directives concerning
medical orders for scope of treatment forms with respect to
a party to a civil union;
! Rights concerning the disposition of the last remains of a
party to a civil union;
! The right to make decisions regarding anatomical gifts;
! Eligibility for family leave benefits;
! Eligibility for public assistance benefits;
! A privilege from providing compelled testimony against a
party in a civil union and evidentiary privileges for parties
to a civil union;
! The right to apply for emergency or involuntary
commitment of a party to a civil union;
! The right to claim a homestead exemption;
! The ability to protect exempt property from attachment,
execution, or garnishment; and
! Dependent coverage under life insurance and health
insurance policies.


RT: It's written so well that even heterosexuals married in other states and have moved to Colorado ....should obtain a civil union certificate. Just like I said, if someone ever asks you ...just say your gay - it's the way to special rights and protections. If you are really bold, tell them you are transgender....

exactly RT.....you finally get it, homosexuals need the civil union laws to give them the SAME rights heterosexals get with marriage......thanks for pointing it out so clearly.

residenttroll wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

residenttroll wrote: [Too bad too many people in Colorado don't care.....just shows what lots of money can buy you in Colorado...it can buy you legal special rights.

What special rights? Can you please list the special rights being bought?

The Civil Union is a special right...knucklehead. It only applies to perverts.

"The bill creates the "Colorado Civil Union Act" (Act) to authorize
any 2 unmarried adults, regardless of gender, to enter into a civil union."

Looks to me like it applies to everyone, as long as they ain't already married. Nothing special about that - it's available to long time hetero business partners as well as homosexual couples.