That's a laugh. We do debate. It's you and your fringe right wing cohorts who resort to personal insults in response to our posts. I tried several times to keep you on topic and you went off with your usual banal responses that had nothing to do with the original subject.
Read my post detailing why that birth certificate is a fake and give us your rebuttal instead of your usual strawman.
major bean wrote: Let's take the liberal tact: prove that it isn't.
kresspin wrote: Well, the obvious point is there's nothing indicating it's a Hawaii document. Hawaii is not anywhere on it, except in the typed address of the house. There's no Hawaii seal, no indication at the top that it is the Hawaii Health Department and no signature by the Hawaii Clerk and Recorder. Also, it doesn't match Hawaii Birth Certificates issued at the same time.
kresspin wrote: This is what I would call a “birther fantasy” certificate. It encapsulates the mythology of Barack Obama born in Africa, and registered by the statement of his grandmother. This is the kind of certificate that was claimed to be possible in some of the birther lawsuits, such as Keyes v Bowen and birther attorneys like Paul Jensen.
There are a number of obvious problems with the certificate, the most notable of which is the citation of HRS 338 17.8 at the bottom, a law that wasn’t passed until 21 years later. Also the certificate number is missing. The Roman numeral II is next to the first name and not next to the last name where it should be. The Roman numeral II is out of line with the rest of the text. The registration dates of real certificates are rubber stamped, not typed. Obviously the check boxes for Parent and MD have been “whited out” from the original certificate. The race of the father is wrong. Various lines on the form are missing where they have been erased, for example under the Race of Mother. The letters “pm” are the same size, but on real forms the “m” is pre-printed and much smaller. There is an attendant signature, which there wouldn’t be with an out of state birth. But the main thing is that Hawaii didn’t register out of state births in 1961.
Take a look at a line over “Full Maiden Name of Mother”. The line above abruptly starts. And you can see the box that they used to do that. If it was typed, it would not have that box.
furthermore, Barack is on a different line than the II is. That is really wierd as well.
Then they want us to believe that they’d allow:
“City of Birth: Honolulu. Island of Birth: Oahu”
But then “Hospital of Birth: Unknown, Kenya, Africa”
So, he was born in an Hospital in Kenya, but was born in Honolulu, and Oahu, and the registrar was stupid enough to actually accept this?
Then under “County & State or Foreign Country” they put “U.S.A.” Last I checked, U.S.A. was not a foreign country, and I’ve never heard of a County in Hawaii named “U.S.A.” or a State named “U.S.A.”
It puts Wichita, Kansas for the birth place of the Mother, but Kenya, Africa as the father’s. Africa is not a country, and Kenya is not a city.
This image has floated around for a year and a half. You can see where it was uploaded to TheObamaFile on October 20, 2009 here:
http://theobamafile.com/_images/
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Beyond the already-cited problems with the document, I found hilarious the document’s attempts to reconcile the Birther theories with the COLB information. Most notably, it clearly states that the place of birth is “Honolulu” and the island of birth is “Oahu,” as on the COLB, but then it adds a footnote with the completely contradictory information “Birthplace: Kenya.”
So apparently, the document’s thesis is that Madelyn Dunham went into the Hawaiian DOH offices, openly *admitted* that her grandson was born in Kenya, and they still gave her a birth certificate that said he was born on Oahu.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/06/ ... tificates/
There are my responses and here are yours:
outdoor338 wrote: remember when kresspin said she wasn't a liberal? What a joke, well we know she is a socialist democrat, a true liberal and now attacks the messenger...you just can't make this stuff up! Time will tell about obama messiah's BC...the libs have been played and big time...
(nothing about the birth certificate under discussion)
kresspin wrote: Ah, rather than rebut the observations on the fake birth certificate, you AGAIN attack the poster, just as you always do when you try to express yourself.
Just once I'd like to see you engage in a meaningful debate, but you just don't have what it takes. It's easier to jump to your strawman argument as you always do.
So predictable.
There's no "time will tell." The supposed certificate has been posted by one of your birther cohorts. Do YOU believe it's a valid certificate?
Rather than answer, you post this:
outdoor338 wrote: kresspin, why debate you when you are a socialist...you're a moonbat, we all know it. You been discovered and have no where to hide...so typical of a liberal..oh..that's right your not a liberal..at least that's what you told all of us a while back...were you lying? Me thinks so....
And Mr. Bean, who asked for proof that shows it wasn't a valid birth certificate ignores the response and chimes in with:
major bean wrote: kresspin has been playing opossum for several days on the birth certificate question. All of a sudden he is an expert. Ha, ha, ha, ha! Flushed him out like a bunch of quail.
(ignoring all the points made about why the birth certificate is an obvious fake)
kresspin wrote: Since you're talking about me instead of the points you asked me to bring up it appears you don't have a rebuttal.
Everything I've posted about the birth certificate is easily found by simple searches. Being able to find it doesn't make one an expert.
kresspin wrote:
outdoor338 wrote: kresspin, why debate you when you are a socialist...you're a moonbat, we all know it. You been discovered and have no where to hide...so typical of a liberal..oh..that's right your not a liberal..at least that's what you told all of us a while back...were you lying? Me thinks so....
Ah, rather than rebut the observations on the fake birth certificate, you AGAIN attack the poster, just as you always do when you try to express yourself.
Just once I'd like to see you engage in a meaningful debate, but you just don't have what it takes. It's easier to jump to your strawman argument as you always do.
Once you find you have nothing to say in rebuttal you resort to childish name calling. Again and again.
outdoor338 wrote: The left has been taken in and followed obama messiah's lies...these people can't even think for themselves..photo and kresspin have shown us that! Neither can debate, but spin like a top, and change subject right skippy?
(again with comments having nothing to do with the discussion or the birth certificate and from this dialogue it's very clear who is changing the subject and not debating. It's your daily pattern.
You have nothing to say about it, just your usual, tired, stock responses to every discussion.
Talk about getting spanked. :bash
