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pineinthegrass wrote:
2wlady wrote: Artistic License on Patton? Go on!
That guy was a megalomaniac. He deserved to be relieved of command, as he was, for a time. He got in trouble for his treatment of the guy with combat fatigue. He sent his tanks to liberate a POW camp where his son-in-law was held captive.
I have no respect for that guy. So, I won't comment on the movie, since I have refused to watch it.
The combat fatigue incident is covered in the movie (don't recall liberating the POW camp, though). Hopefully we agree you can still make a great movie about a less than perfect person. If you like war movies at all, Patton should be on your to-view list, IMO.
Dr Strangelove, though fictional, was a great movie even though the character was a nutjob. Come to think of it, Patton's George C. Scott was in that movie too, and he played another nutjob, even crazier than Patton.
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.... all Generals are "nut jubs".....
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bailey bud wrote:
.... all Generals are "nut jubs".....
How about Curtis LeMay?
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Haven't seen, Rocked!, Haven't seen, Great movie, great movie, haven't seen, good movie, haven't seen, and haven't seen - thanks for the new titles to watch Outdoor!Outdoor338 wrote: Patton was a great movie..Its in my top 10 war movies..Battle Ground, Band of Brothers, Gettysburg, Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan, On a Midnights clear, The Bridge over the River Kwai, Stalig 17, They died with their boots on.
MOVIE MARATHON at your place! :thumbsup: As soon as you and I can find a free couple of days (uhh, yeah!). :faint: (I have to find the Hugh Jackman version of Oklahoma for us to re-watch...!) Have you seen Hello, Dolly!, The Music Man, or Brigadoon?CinnamonGirl wrote:
Science Chic wrote:
That's it! Next time I'm over at your house, I'm making you watch Casablanca! And Top Hat, Singing In The Rain, Maltese Falcon, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Cool Hand Luke, The Misfits, Rear Window, and, last but not least, Citizen Kane (followed directly by RKO281). We gotta ed-u-mah-cate you!CinnamonGirl wrote: I have never seen Dr. Strangelove, Patton or ON the Waterfront. I just saw Butch Cassidy for the first time a couple years ago. I am embarrassed to admit. I still have never seen Casablanca either.
Gone With the Wind made me wanna puke.
I like singing in the rain. And oklahoma is my favorite musical. I have not seen any others on your list above.
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CinnamonGirl wrote: VL, do you have Netflix streming up there? I am trying to help someone get it up there and the internet seems to be too slow with evcohs.com.
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I believe bailey bud was referencing the former nom de plume of a certain poster who has notoriously posted on Pine Cam, 285bound and other local boards. Perhaps you remember him?Vice Lord wrote:
bailey bud wrote:
.... all Generals are "nut jubs".....
How about Curtis LeMay?
Did you even read my post?
He's mentioned prominantly in it
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the 4th US Armored Division received an strange order from XIIth US Corps, to employ a Task Force to liberate a prisoner of war camp near Hammelburg, about 80 km behind the enemy lines. The so called “Operation Hammelburg” was a secret and controversial operation, which was planned and executed during a running campaign. It was ordered by Patton personally and commanded by Captain Abraham J. Baum between 26 - 28 March of 1945. Captain Baum was given the mission of breaking through the German lines and liberating US-POWs in camp OFLAG XIII-B, near Hammelburg. Officially it was a rescue mission, but the true reasons behind was to liberate Patton's son-in-law, LTC John K. Waters, a POW who had been captured 1943, at the Kasserine Pass in Tunisia.
The attack was scheduled for 30 minutes, but they encountered heavy resistance and lost two tanks. It took hours until Baum's task force could move out in the early morning hours and finally break through the German lines.
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Despite the surprise attack, a company of German combat engineers gave heavy resistance. A bridge was blown and Task Force Baum lost three tanks and a platoon of infantry, which was captured by the Germans. [Task Force Baum searched for another route and was 6 hours behind schedule.]
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Task Force Baum ran into a German ambush....Captain Baum lost four Halftracks and three Jeeps [before reaching Camp Hammelburg]....While loosing [sic] 30 % of men and vehicles, Task Force Baum had reached its destination. [There were too many prisoners, so only some of them could be taken back. Baum let the others either walk back or wait until liberation.
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[Task Force Baum took a long rest] and after a few kilometers ran into a German roadblock, [then one to the North and the only way out was West. They were passing through a German training ground. In another ambush] The first tank was hit by a German Panzerfaust. Then the Germans moved the disabled tank into a orchard and used it against the following American tanks. Three other American Sherman tanks were destroyed in the subsequent engagement.
Some of the Halftracks were abandoned, to have enough fuel for the remaining vehicles. [Because there would be an ongoing fight on the way back, most of the walking wounded and several other POWs, including Col. Goode, the CO of the POWs, began to march back under a flag of truce.
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About 09:00 hours, they opened fire with tank destroyers and mortars on first sign of movement by the Americans. Knowing, there was no way to escape, Captain Baum ordered every man for himself. The fight lasted about 20 minutes before the survivors, who hadn’t escaped into the woods, were lined up as POWs.
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About 09:00 hours, they [Germans]opened fire with tank destroyers and mortars on first sign of movement by the Americans. Knowing, there was no way to escape, Captain Baum ordered every man for himself. The fight lasted about 20 minutes before the survivors, who hadn’t escaped into the woods, were lined up as POWs.
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Captain Baum escaped, but was soon captured by the Germans. He was shot in the leg after trying to continue fighting. He joined LTC Waters [Patton's son-in-law] in the Camp hospital. There they waited until the camp was liberated by the 14th US Armored Division, on 5 April 1945 - just 10 days after the failed liberation by Task Force Baum. Ironically, the failed mission and the injury made sure, that John K. Waters could be liberated sooner. Otherwise he would have been marched off to another camp, further into Germany, with the rest of the POWs. After being back to the 4th US Armored Division, Captain Baum received the Distinguished Service Cross on 10 April 1945.
The mission was a total failure. Out of 314 officers and men, 26 had been killed during the raid. Only a few made it back to the American lines, the rest was taken prisoners by the Germans. The force's 57 vehicles were all destroyed or captured by the Germans. General Patton stated later that he didn't know for sure, that his son-in-law was in Camp Hammelburg. He said, that his goals were to liberated American POWs and to bluff the Germans about the Third Army's direction of attack. In his own war memories General Patton stated later: "I can say this, that throughout the campaign in Europe I know of no error I made except that of failing to send a combat command to take Hammelburg."
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