GOP poll: Tea party movement could cost Republicans in 2012

Soulshiner wrote:

lionshead2010 wrote: The only question you should have when you go to the polls in 2012 is whether or not you want Obama or ANYONE else running the country for the next four years.

That is the only question YOU will have. There are a few people who have already declared that I would never want to see become president.

Hey buddy, I'm no mind reader, but I'm pretty sure I know how folks like you and LJ will be voting. What does she say, "imagine my surprise?"

The audience of my comment's is not the Obama koolaid drinkers. I'm interested in the "independents" and conservatives who are thinking about voting for that third party person. I've given up on your ideology...but with them there may be a chance. Your win ruins America. I think the stakes are that high.

1 There really isn’t time for a viable third party presidential candidate unless somebody with a ton of money decides to jump into the race. As with what happened to Tancredo there just isn’t a third party organization capable of putting together the grassroots needed to compete with the 2 major parties.

2.

“I think the Tea Partiers on here have already established the Tea Party is NOT a third party but an extension of the Republican Party.”

That is false assumption, one the Dems and Media like to hang on the TP groups, it is true however that the GOP would love to have control of and utilize the TP groups. Because of the GOP’s need for the TP groups, they will inevitably drive the GOP to adopt a more fiscally conservative stance.

3. Again I can’t speak for other TP groups, but the 285 Corridor TP group decided early on last year not to endorse any candidates. We asked all the gubernatorial candidates to come to speak to us last year. Tancredo was the only candidate who responded in a timely manner. Hickenlooper never responded and Maes responded only in the last seconds of his death spiral. We will comment and take a stand on issues, for example we were opposed to last May’s Conifer Rec District proposal.
We may in the future choose to endorse or oppose candidates.


Wayne I have to take exception to your comment

“Here's what it means: I have commented several times before that you are unlike any of my Jewish friends, or any Jewish people I have ever met.”

I’ve been around Jewish folks my entire life. I have known some to be as outspoken and in your face as Nmysys.

At least now the conservatives know how liberals felt when Bush ran for a second term. And we were right on...Bush did all he could to ruin America as we knew it. I am not real pleased with what Obama has done, but I see very dark days ahead for America if any of the current crop of Republicans is elected
There ought to be someone better out there. Maybe in 2016. For now I'll stick with Obama until someone better comes along. Sorry republicans,you haven't come up with one yet

Grady wrote:

“I think the Tea Partiers on here have already established the Tea Party is NOT a third party but an extension of the Republican Party.”

That is false assumption, one the Dems and Media like to hang on the TP groups.

So the Tea Party is a third party and will have its own third-party candidates then?

Grady wrote: Wayne I have to take exception to your comment

“Here's what it means: I have commented several times before that you are unlike any of my Jewish friends, or any Jewish people I have ever met.”

I’ve been around Jewish folks my entire life. I have known some to be as outspoken and in your face as Nmysys.

How could you take exception to it? You haven't met the people I've met. It is my observation based on my experience. I've found most of them are liberal, too -- a fact backed up by the last presidential election when Obama got 78% of the Jewish vote, just a few points higher than the Jewish vote for Democrats in presidential elections going back to 1928.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 01498.html

Perhaps you've only run across the 22% that aren't liberal. Remember the so-called "Jewish-controlled media" and the "liberal main stream media"?

Grady wrote:

“I think the Tea Partiers on here have already established the Tea Party is NOT a third party but an extension of the Republican Party.”

That is false assumption, one the Dems and Media like to hang on the TP groups, it is true however that the GOP would love to have control of and utilize the TP groups.

Really?

From the 285 TEA Party meeting notes:

What does the 285 Corridor Tea Party expect to accomplish?
• Expand influence with Republican Party

What does it stand for?
• Serve as conscience of Republican Party

I guess it all depends on which teapartier you talk to... and when... Apparently no two of them have the same opinion of what "the elephant looks like"

lionshead2010 wrote:

Soulshiner wrote:

lionshead2010 wrote: The only question you should have when you go to the polls in 2012 is whether or not you want Obama or ANYONE else running the country for the next four years.

That is the only question YOU will have. There are a few people who have already declared that I would never want to see become president.

Hey buddy, I'm no mind reader, but I'm pretty sure I know how folks like you and LJ will be voting. What does she say, "imagine my surprise?"

The audience of my comment's is not the Obama koolaid drinkers. I'm interested in the "independents" and conservatives who are thinking about voting for that third party person. I've given up on your ideology...but with them there may be a chance. Your win ruins America. I think the stakes are that high.

As an ex-Republican (reluctantly) and an unaffiliated voter I will tell you why I may cast my vote for a third party candidate if you are truly interested and not just engaging in browbeating. i cast my last vote for a Republican in GWB jr.s first election. I was appalled at his nomination, found him wholly unqualified and was seriously concerned about how he would perform as a President. However I bought into the "lesser of two evils" argument and held my nose and voted. Now I count a serious portion of our deficit and two wars against my conscience. i cast the vote. I personally am responsible for the consequences of that vote. I will not ever, ever, ever hold my nose and vote for someone again and I will passionately exhort everyone I speak to not to do so either. We keep digging ourselves deeper and deeper into this partisan pit where we vote party not person. It's insanity. If I wouldn't trust a candidate with my life, my checkbook or my soul I won't trust him with my country. If the Republicans put up a Bachmann, a Gingrich or a Palin I will assuredly vote third party. If we are not willing to vote for third party candidates we will never loosen the stranglehold the two parties have on us, and they have clearly shown that the will of the voters os of little or no concern to them. The only power we have left is our votes. If we wield them unwisely we don't even have that.

chickaree wrote:

lionshead2010 wrote:

Soulshiner wrote:

lionshead2010 wrote: The only question you should have when you go to the polls in 2012 is whether or not you want Obama or ANYONE else running the country for the next four years.

That is the only question YOU will have. There are a few people who have already declared that I would never want to see become president.

Hey buddy, I'm no mind reader, but I'm pretty sure I know how folks like you and LJ will be voting. What does she say, "imagine my surprise?"

The audience of my comment's is not the Obama koolaid drinkers. I'm interested in the "independents" and conservatives who are thinking about voting for that third party person. I've given up on your ideology...but with them there may be a chance. Your win ruins America. I think the stakes are that high.

As an ex-Republican (reluctantly) and an unaffiliated voter I will tell you why I may cast my vote for a third party candidate if you are truly interested and not just engaging in browbeating. i cast my last vote for a Republican in GWB jr.s first election. I was appalled at his nomination, found him wholly unqualified and was seriously concerned about how he would perform as a President. However I bought into the "lesser of two evils" argument and held my nose and voted. Now I count a serious portion of our deficit and two wars against my conscience. i cast the vote. I personally am responsible for the consequences of that vote. I will not ever, ever, ever hold my nose and vote for someone again and I will passionately exhort everyone I speak to not to do so either. We keep digging ourselves deeper and deeper into this partisan pit where we vote party not person. It's insanity. If I wouldn't trust a candidate with my life, my checkbook or my soul I won't trust him with my country. If the Republicans put up a Bachmann, a Gingrich or a Palin I will assuredly vote third party. If we are not willing to vote for third party candidates we will never loosen the stranglehold the two parties have on us, and they have clearly shown that the will of the voters os of little or no concern to them. The only power we have left is our votes. If we wield them unwisely we don't even have that.

I am interested in your perspective and don't mean to sound like I'm browbeating anyone. It's really not what I'm about. I also hear and feel you passion about what is best for our country....unfortunately, it may be a very long time before the two-party system loses its stranglehold on our country. It could be decades. In the meantime, I'll stick with my original observation...a vote for an otherwise extraordinary, yet underfunded third party candidate is simply a vote for the current administration. That's bad for America in my book. Really bad.

As long as we buy into the fallacy that Republican or Democrat are our only two choices you will be right. I initially held out great hope for the Tea party because it seemed so vibrant and it might have actually replaced the GOP. Now I see that it is no more than a name for embarrassed Republicans. If the Republicans put forward a credible candidate they will regain my vote. If they actually begin to legislate for the good of our nation rather than indulge in partisan gamemanship I will even rejoin. Until then I will stay unaffiliated with the majority of the country.

lionshead2010 wrote: [....unfortunately, it may be a very long time before the two-party system loses its stranglehold on our country. It could be decades. In the meantime, I'll stick with my original observation...a vote for an otherwise extraordinary, yet underfunded third party candidate is simply a vote for the current administration. That's bad for America in my book. Really bad.

I thought we had a chance in 92. Not of winning, but of a viable third party. Unfortunately Perot was not quite up for the mission.

Regarding the '12 election, I agree with you.