Was John Quincy Adams A "Founding Father"??

WayneH wrote: Some people get John Quincy Adams confused with his father, John Adams.

J Q Adams was 9 when the Declaration of Independence was signed but Tea Party favorite Michelle Bachman insists Adams was a "founding father" and was actively involved as a child in the Revolutionary War. (No, that was his father, John Adams)

Now, some of her fans are giving her the Sarah Palin treatment by trying to rewrite history and insert "a founding father" in Adam's Wikipedia bio. (maybe he could be a "founding child"??)

Bachman continues to insist that the nation's Founding Fathers "worked tirelessly to end slavery." (No, that was the Civil War, not the Revolutionary War, Michelle)

Props to her for admitting she referred to the wrong John Wayne in Waterloo, Iowa. She meant John Wayne, the actor, but ended up referring to John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bach ... 38713.html

It's going to be an extremely interesting presidential campaign this time around.

I can't help but wonder if she was elected president, if there would be a giant Alien-type egg in the Oval Office where she would birth her spawn.

I am beginning to think that you are a sexist and woman hater.

Well, never let the fact that you know nothing about a subject prevent you from talking about it. There are plenty of ignoramuses on both sides of the aisle who follow that piece of "wisdom."

No, but he got to use the word "hater" in a sentence....

the Pulitizer Prize winning fact checking site, Polifact, examined 24 of Bachmann's statements. Of the 24, 17 were determined to absolutely false(7 pants on fire lies), and only 1 was found to be true. Here are some examples:


BACHMANN: "The farm is my father-in-law's farm. It's not my husband and my farm. It's my father-in-law's farm. And my husband and I have never gotten a penny of money from the farm." — On "Fox News Sunday."
THE FACTS: In personal financial disclosure reports required annually from members of Congress, Bachmann reported that she holds an interest in a family farm in Independence, Wis., with her share worth between $100,000 and $250,000.
The farm, which was owned by her father-in-law, produced income for Bachmann of at least $32,500 and as much as $105,000 from 2006 through 2009, according to the reports she filed for that period. The farm also received federal crop and disaster subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments.
When asked about the subsidies and her income from the farm late last year, a spokesman for Bachmann said only that she wasn't involved in decisions about the running of the farm.
Bachmann told The Associated Press on Monday that her husband became a trustee of the farm because his father had dementia before he died two years ago, and "oversees the legal entity."
"Everything we do with those forms is in an abundance of caution," she said, insisting she and her husband receive no farm income despite the forms reporting it.
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BACHMANN: "If you look at one of our Founding Fathers, John Quincy Adams, that's absolutely true. He was a very young boy when he was with his father serving essentially as his father's secretary. He tirelessly worked throughout his life to make sure that we did in fact one day eradicate slavery." — On ABC's "Good Morning America."
THE FACTS: John Quincy Adams was not a Founding Father. He was 9 when the Declaration of Independence was made and 20 when the Constitution was adopted. His father, John Adams, was the Revolutionary War figure and an architect of the declaration — and therefore a Founding Father. Both father and son became president. Bachmann was defending her earlier, inaccurate remark that the Founding Fathers had devoted themselves to ending slavery.
John Quincy Adams, president from 1825 to 1829, privately called slavery a "great and foul stain" but largely sidestepped the issue in office, according to "The Reader's Companion to the American Presidency." He tried to avoid antagonizing the South while reasoning that his push for a stronger central government would hasten slavery's end over time.
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BACHMANN: "Well what I want them to know is, just like John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa, that's the kind of spirit that I have, too." — Speaking to Fox News on Sunday.
Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa, nearly three hours away, and moved to California in his childhood. John Wayne Gacy, convicted of killing 33 men and boys, was born in Chicago, moved to Waterloo to work in his father-in-law's chicken restaurants and first ran afoul of the law there, sentenced to 10 years for sodomy. He began his killing spree after his release, and his return to Illinois.
Bachmann told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism.
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BACHMANN: "Overnight we are hearing that potentially 10 to 30,000 people could have been killed in the strike." — Criticizing Obama in May for the "foolish" U.S. intervention in Libya, and citing what she said were reports of a civilian death toll from a NATO strike as high as 30,000.
THE FACTS: The U.S. ambassador to Libya, Gene Cretz, said in late April that U.S. officials have seen reports that 10,000 to 30,000 people may have died in Moammar Gadhafi's crackdown on protesters and the fighting between rebels and pro-government forces, but it is hard to know if that is true. He was speaking about all casualties of the conflict; no one has attributed such a death toll to NATO bombing alone, much less to a single strike.
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BACHMANN: "It's ironic and sad that the president released all of the oil from the strategic oil reserve. ... There's only a limited amount of oil that we have in the strategic oil reserve. It's there for emergencies." — On CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.
THE FACTS: Obama did not empty all the oil from the strategic reserve, as Bachmann said. He approved the release of 30 million barrels, about 4 percent of the 727 million barrels stored in salt caverns along the Texas and Louisiana coasts. It's true that the U.S. normally taps the reserve for more dire emergencies than exist today, and that exposes Obama to criticism that he acted for political gain. But the reserve has never been fuller; it held 707 million barrels when last tapped, after 2008 hurricanes.
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BACHMANN: "One. That's the number of new drilling permits under the Obama administration since they came into office." — Comment to a conservative conference in Iowa in March.
THE FACTS: The Obama administration issued more than 200 new drilling permits before the Gulf oil spill alone. Over the past year, since new safety standards were imposed, the administration has issued more than 60 shallow-water drilling permits. Since the deep water moratorium was lifted in October, nine new wells have been approved.

major bean wrote: I am beginning to think that you are a sexist and woman hater.

He's not

SS109 wrote: Well, JQA was 20 years old when the Constituition was ratified and I would consider the men who argued over that document to be founding fathers too.
(I know John Quincy Adams had little to do with the 3/5th slave rule.)

Is that the same Constitution that was ratified 20 centuries ago according to the man who is leading this nation?

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I am gone all day and I come back and the Libs still have no life and are still talking about this total non issue? I have posted many more things that the actual person who is the President has said and is 10 times as stupid! Love how the libs are so threatened by Republicans with actual ideas that they have to cling to every minor lintball on their shirt to try and make them look worse than Obama. Newsflash! It ain't working! Obama still looks 10 times more stupid than any Republican candidate, and has proved it 100 times over since he took office. But keep clinging to the non issues and ignore the economy and and the other disastors he has created. Libs never really have been good at talking about the important things anyway.

Again, this is who the Republicans have to beat. And who they will be debating..... rofllol :rofl rofllol :rofl

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The Viking wrote: I am gone all day and I come back and the Libs still have no life and are still talking about this total non issue? I have posted many more things that the actual person who is the President has said and is 10 times as stupid! Love how the libs are so threatened by Republicans with actual ideas that they have to cling to every minor lintball on their shirt to try and make them look worse than Obama. Newsflash! It ain't working! Obama still looks 10 times more stupid than any Republican candidate, and has proved it 100 times over since he took office. But keep clinging to the non issues and ignore the economy and and the other disastors he has created. Libs never really have been good at talking about the important things anyway.

That's not the case. This is typical tit for tat. You run off picking at stuff Obama says... I run off and make fun of bachman. I voted for Regan and Bush Sr. Can you say you voted for a dem?

I don't know I really care as long as GW is OUT. (Oh and he is!!!)

major bean wrote: I am beginning to think that you are a sexist and woman hater.

If that were true we'd be best friends, and we're not.