Why scaring grandma won't work

18 Jul 2011 21:13 #171 by LadyJazzer
Oh, it's class-warfare alright... But it's the lower & middle classes that the war is on, and it's the rich that are waging it.

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18 Jul 2011 21:25 #172 by Blazer Bob
At this juncture I am thinking it is time to be a little tolerant. They are liberally insane.

I heard Thom Hartmann on the radio today saying he hoped that the r's would not deliberately crash the economy and destroy millions of American families to win an election but that Nixon killed 50,000 Americans to win an election and that Reagan committed treason to win an election. :Loco:

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19 Jul 2011 08:11 #173 by Rick
Replied by Rick on topic Why scaring grandma won't work
Hartman is a few brain cells about Janeane Garafalo.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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19 Jul 2011 08:25 #174 by LadyJazzer
Which is at least 20 more than Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, Bachmann, Palin, ad nauseum....

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19 Jul 2011 09:50 #175 by Blazer Bob

CriticalBill wrote: Hartman is a few brain cells about Janeane Garafalo.


Until the last election he was the most rational socialist on the radio.

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19 Jul 2011 10:23 #176 by PrintSmith
Do you have an answer for the numbers LJ? Can you tell us why FDR was able to launch all of his New Deal initiatives on only 10% of the national production while Obama needs 25% today for a budget that doesn't include all of the FDR federal work programs? Why is it that today the charity recipients shouldn't be expected to do work that benefits the taxpayers who provide the money for the government charity disbursements? What entitles those charity recipients to the money someone else has earned? What is it precisely that entitles the wannabe national government to an unlimited and perpetual increase in the amount of national production it receives? Why shouldn't the percentage of national production to which the wannabe national government has access have a limit in the absence of a declared war and why shouldn't it be necessary to enact a dedicated tax on all of us if the wannabe national government determines that this cap should be exceeded?

The money earned by the work of the citizens of the states does not first belong to the wannabe national government, it belongs to the citizens who did the work. No one is entitled to the fruits of the labor of someone else regardless of how much they may need it - that is why theft is a crime. The wannabe national government is no more entitled to the fruits of the labor of others regardless of how much they believe they, or other citizens of the states, need the money more. It is the job of the individual, not the wannabe national government, to determine how much of the money they have earned they "don't need". If Obama determines that he has "hundreds of thousands of dollars" he doesn't need then he has the ability to give it away instead of keeping it. He won't do that, of course, because he believes that is what we are supposed to pay taxes for. He isn't interested in being charitable with his own money unless everyone else is forced to be charitable as well.

It is not for the wannabe national government, or even the individual's fellow citizens, to determine how much of the money the individual has earned the individual "doesn't need" and can be confiscated by force of law to give to others who they, not the individual, have determined need it more. The primary purpose of the federal government is not to forcibly collect the nation's charity for distribution that returns a political profit regardless of how much Obama and other regressives may believe otherwise.

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19 Jul 2011 10:35 #177 by LadyJazzer
1) Because the budget requirements, and governmental responsibilities of 1933 in no way resemble the government responsibilities and priorities of 2011...

2) Seems to me I recall that Clinton was backed into a corner and had to sign "The Welfare Reform Act of 1995", which stopped most of the "cruising on the public dole" of what you call the "charity recipients", and required those who were able to work to get jobs after so many weeks of benefits, and did away with AFDC and GA as we knew it.

3) You can take your usual Sovereign Citizen / Federalist Papers bullsh*t about "wannabe national government" and shove it. (You forgot "usurper", "socialist", ad nauseum... You're slipping...)

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19 Jul 2011 11:32 #178 by PrintSmith
So tell us LJ, from the illiberal left position, what is a reasonable percentage of the national production for the wannabe national government to confiscate for its own use (political profit) via the tax code? 15%? 20%? 25%? More?

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19 Jul 2011 11:36 #179 by LadyJazzer
Since I reject your bullsh*t "wannabe national government" and "confiscate"... Have a nice day.

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19 Jul 2011 11:52 #180 by PrintSmith
How much of the national production should be appropriated for use by the folks in DC LJ? It's a simple question to answer, isn't it? All of it? 75% of it? 50% of it? 25% of it? There has to be a percentage of national production you feel is reasonable for the Congress to spend each and every year. What is it?

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