Why scaring grandma won't work

The Viking wrote:

neptunechimney wrote:

archer wrote: nice spin by someone with reason to make excuses...I'm not buying it. But I'm quite sure you will believe it because you want to, otherwise Perry might look a little tarnished. Really.....I have read enough about Gov Perry to think even Sarah Palin would be a better choice.

......and we all know what I think of Palin.

Face it, if Obama ran as a republican you would dis him.

Agreed. Archer tell me what he has done that you are happy with. And if you say the failed stimulus or the health care joke that he has had to give hundreds of exepmptions to for unions who don't want it after fighting for it, or all the states that are opting out of it or fighting against it, then you have just pointed out two huge failures. Try something else if you can find anything. Anything.....really!

There's a question that will take her a long time to answer...if ever.

Let's see here, you have already judged the answers I haven't even had a chance to make. That sure promotes discussion. Getting you righties to actually discuss anything without strawman arguments and poster ridicule before I even post is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Now....am I disappointed in Obama....yes. The healthcare bill didn't go far enough...and the stimulous wasn't big enough......would I vote for him again.. you betcha. He is still better than all. your candidates put together

archer wrote: Now....am I disappointed in Obama....yes. The healthcare bill didn't go far enough...and the stimulous wasn't big enough......would I vote for him again.. you betcha. He is still better than all. your candidates put together

It is so sad how easily some American's are fooled.......

So something that pretty much everyone said failed you say didn't waste enough? And a healthcare bill that everyone is fighting, including states and the unions and Obama is having to give waivers to, because it is so bad, and the CBO says it will RAISE the debt and not have any net increase in insured people, didn't go far enough? How bad do you want it to be? It can't go much further to screwing America! You CAN'T be an accountant!

How bad do I want it to be? Certainly not as bad as it will get if we elect any one of the Republican candidates for president.

Its so sad how easily conservative Americans are fooled into thinking the Republican party wants to do what's best for Americans. Gullibility is your strongest suit Viking....and the gullibility of conservatives may well destroy us.

archer wrote: How bad do I want it to be? Certainly not as bad as it will get if we elect any one of the Republican candidates for president.

Its so sad how easily conservative Americans are fooled into thinking the Republican party wants to do what's best for Americans. Gullibility is your strongest suit Viking....and the gullibility of conservatives may well destroy us.

Get rid of the health care bill and just fix what is wrong with it. Never do a F'd up stimulus that failed, or Tarp again! No cash for Clunkers. All of that and this country would be in the same shape if not better and $Trillions less debt that we will never be able to pay off! So we would have been in MUCH better shape without Obama and Democratic congress for the last 4 years.

Notice that the out of control spending has stopped since America woke up and voted in a Republican House!

Yeah...I also noticed there are no elephants rioting in NYC....thank you Republicans.

archer wrote: Let's see here, you have already judged the answers I haven't even had a chance to make. That sure promotes discussion. Getting you righties to actually discuss anything without strawman arguments and poster ridicule before I even post is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

So we need to rob the rich, and cut some spending, but we didn't spend enough money on the health care takeover or the SwindleUs Bill? That's not making any sense archer, you can't have it both ways. We can't raise the taxes on the evil rich people that the government has determined have hundreds of thousands, if not millions or billions, of dollars they don't need in order to pay down the deficit if we are continually in the process of spending 33% more than the taxes take in. You would have to raise the current tax burden of the nation by at least 50% if you include the privilege to be employed/have employee taxes in that mix or by 100% if they are excluded. We're $1.5 Trillion short right now each year with another $1 Trillion coming online when ObummerCare kicks in. To have a chance of paying off the existing debt within the next century would require a budget surplus in the $200 Billion or so range for that entire period of time.

When is the right time to balance the budget archer? When is the right time to actually have this wanna be national government live within a reasonable percentage of our national production? What is the percentage of national production that we should expect the wannabe national government to extract from the economy each and every year? What is a "fair" percentage to the illiberal mind?

You say you understand the numbers because you are an accountant but I see no logical thread that runs through your comments here.

PrintSmith wrote: You say you understand the numbers because you are an accountant but I see no logical thread that runs through your comments here.

You don't see the logical thread because you won't actually read what I post.....you already have decided you know what I am saying, and you don't. I am all for a balanced budget....I have posted that over, and over, and over again......but no one really reads it. We need to balance the budget first, then work on paying down the debt.....if we are serious about paying down the national debt AND balancing our budget we need to use all the tools at our disposal.....both to cut spending and to increase revenue. What we do in the short term, to kick start the process, is not necessarily what we will do long term to keep from over spending and to keep our debt under control.

The Republicans want to use a hatchet on our spending....right now....without any thought to the repercussions. They don't seem to care if what they are doing is good or bad for the economy, they just want to make a good showing for the Tea Party and will worry about consequences later. the Democrats aren't much better.....they are afraid to do anything....either to cut spending or to raise revenue......so nothing gets done. Both approaches are wrong.

Right now I would like to see our congress cut what spending they can, those things they know....the economists know, will not topple our fragile economy..raise the debt ceiling so we don't end up paying higher interest on our debt than we already do... and increase our taxes in some areas, yes the wealthiest 1%, yes close corporate loopholes, yes the capitol gains tax should go up.....and yes, the ceiling for SS should be raised. Long term, we need to redo our tax code.......and restructure our entitlement programs.....we also need to actually HAVE a budget....if ya ain't got a budget how do you know how much you can spend?

The Republican idea that we can fix our problems right now is incredibly stupid. We need a plan, and that plan can't be crafted in a week, or a month, or probably a year......the Democrats idea that this will fix itself is also incredibly stupid, do nothing and it only gets worse. Unless, and until, the two parties decide that we have a national crisis that requires them to work together on a comprehensive plan, we are going down, fast. It's kinda like going to war in Iraq without a plan to win the war, without a plan to pay for the war, without any idea what we are getting into. It was disastrous in war......the same mentality will be disastrous for our nations economy and it's people.

archer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: You say you understand the numbers because you are an accountant but I see no logical thread that runs through your comments here.

You don't see the logical thread because you won't actually read what I post.....you already have decided you know what I am saying, and you don't. I am all for a balanced budget....I have posted that over, and over, and over again......but no one really reads it. We need to balance the budget first, then work on paying down the debt.....if we are serious about paying down the national debt AND balancing our budget we need to use all the tools at our disposal.....both to cut spending and to increase revenue. What we do in the short term, to kick start the process, is not necessarily what we will do long term to keep from over spending and to keep our debt under control.

The Republicans want to use a hatchet on our spending....right now....without any thought to the repercussions. They don't seem to care if what they are doing is good or bad for the economy, they just want to make a good showing for the Tea Party and will worry about consequences later. the Democrats aren't much better.....they are afraid to do anything....either to cut spending or to raise revenue......so nothing gets done. Both approaches are wrong.

Right now I would like to see our congress cut what spending they can, those things they know....the economists know, will not topple our fragile economy..raise the debt ceiling so we don't end up paying higher interest on our debt than we already do... and increase our taxes in some areas, yes the wealthiest 1%, yes close corporate loopholes, yes the capitol gains tax should go up.....and yes, the ceiling for SS should be raised. Long term, we need to redo our tax code.......and restructure our entitlement programs.....we also need to actually HAVE a budget....if ya ain't got a budget how do you know how much you can spend?

The Republican idea that we can fix our problems right now is incredibly stupid. We need a plan, and that plan can't be crafted in a week, or a month, or probably a year......the Democrats idea that this will fix itself is also incredibly stupid, do nothing and it only gets worse. Unless, and until, the two parties decide that we have a national crisis that requires them to work together on a comprehensive plan, we are going down, fast. It's kinda like going to war in Iraq without a plan to win the war, without a plan to pay for the war, without any idea what we are getting into. It was disastrous in war......the same mentality will be disastrous for our nations economy and it's people.

Almost every leading economist and most people in congress agree that raising the capital gains tax is a huge mistake and would be counter productive and have a negative effect on growing the economy. And again, raising taxes on the top 1% will do nothing. that is just a posturing obama wants for his election. Not sure why you are fighting for such a little amount. Closing loopholes I totally agree with.