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PrintSmith wrote: what limits remain on the power of the federal government as a result of the judicial coup d'etat carried out by FDR and Congress?

This seems to be your new "phrase of the day"... Did you get a new email of "useful phrases"?

There was no coup d'etat. There was a popular president, who was elected...along with an unbreakable majority of Congress, ALSO elected, and they packed the court, as was their Constitutional right, with the judges of their choice and who were confirmed. You've conveniently ignored my reponse in a previous message:

How did he happen to HAVE that huge majority in Congress?... Oh wait... He came in after Herbert Hoover started the Depression, and the people were fed up with the incompetence of the REPUBLICAN administration that destroyed the economy. So, they cleaned house, and kicked out all of the Republicans... Dang... That must hurt.

FDR succeeded because the Republicans blew it, and the Dems took over control... How did they get control?...They were voted in by the PEOPLE who were fed up with the Republicans.

If the Republicans didn't like it, they had the same Constitutional rules to change it ... by voting their party back into office and replacing the court....

Ironic isn't it that the man chosen to lead the country out of the ill-informed Republican governance that brought on the Depression and Crash of 1929, elected someone they saw as their savior to the previous Hoover administration's elitism and nincompoopery. Who would have thought that the same moronic idiocy that didn't work in 1929, would be the "Call of the Righties" in 2011?

Isn't it also fascinating that this alleged "dictator", "usurper", was ELECTED to the office FOUR TIMES... I guess if the PEOPLE were so unhappy, or thought he was doing such a lousy job, or that he had somehow STOLEN their country from them, they could have run a better candidate and voted him out of office... That's how it's done... Elections... (A difficult concept for you, I'm sure...if you can't suppress the vote, play games with the ballot boxes, or find enough ways to do dirty tricks on your opponents...) But if he was so bad, why didn't they vote him out and replace him?

Sorry, Nutter, but your coup d'etat rant is so much bullsh*t.

PrintSmith wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Must be the Printsmith Revisionist History Channel again. Perhaps you should review the McCullough v. Maryland decision in 1819 which adopted the Hamiltonian view of broad federal powers.

Reconcile for me if you will Dog, the following quote from Marshall regarding that decision:

"If any one proposition could command the universal assent of mankind, we might expect it would be this— that the government of the Union, though limited in its power, is supreme within its sphere of action."

Tell me Dog, what limits remain on the power of the federal government as a result of the judicial coup d'etat carried out by FDR and Congress? What control over the domestic affairs of the state are left to the government of the state as a result of their packing onto the Supreme Court justices who would ignore the Constitution and be complicit in the consolidation of power envisioned by that executive and Congress?

It is simply pure demagoguery regarding your current pet phrase. Of course no one ignored the Constitution, and merely followed the McCullough decision, which as you acknowledged, held that the power of the federal government is supreme. The Court back in 1819 expressly adopted the Hamiltonian view point. Your continued hackneyed demagoguery is simply tiresome and has no effect in the real world.

What limits remain on the federal government as a result of the coup that FDR and Congress perpetrated upon the judicial branch of the government Dog? The McCullough decision clearly stated that there were limits to the federal authority. After the coup, what limits remain? What, if any, are the limits of the federal power over the domestic affairs of the citizens of the states these days Dog?

PrintSmith wrote: What limits remain on the federal government as a result of the coup that FDR and Congress perpetrated upon the judicial branch of the government Dog? The McCullough decision clearly stated that there were limits to the federal authority. After the coup, what limits remain? What, if any, are the limits of the federal power over the domestic affairs of the citizens of the states these days Dog?

As has been repeatedly discussed ad nausem, the limits are that the powers be in the general welfare of the individuals, and to those powers that are necessary and proper for the federal government to execute its duties. This has been established over 200 years and no one, but no one, dispute that other than you and a few deranged individuals. You can continue with your Printsmith Revisionist History Channel, or travel back in time, but neither is going to change the role of the federal government.

There was no "coup"... But thanks for playing.

And who decides whether or not the exercising of the limitless federal powers falls within the scope of serving, instead of harming, the general welfare of the states (which is the actual verbiage from the Constitution, not the general welfare of the individual)? Is $14.5 Trillion and counting in debt to be the national clearinghouse for the collection and distribution of charity ultimately serving or harming the general welfare of the states that belong to the union? Given that it has brought us to the brink of defaulting, at least according to Obama, it would seem that the so called "mandatory" spending items have done more harm than good with regards to the general welfare of the union. Digging the citizens of the states perpetually further into debt would also seem to be more harmful than beneficial.

Tell me what benefit is derived from a $14.5 Trillion, soon to be $17 Trillion, federal debt that must be serviced at the expense of the infrastructure needs that are actually outlined in the Constitution? Tell me what general welfare is served by continual devaluation of the currency as the federal authority seeks to print their way of of the mess they created?

And how did we get from "the government should not support the people" to that being the primary focus of government (at least according to how they spend the non-existent money they continually appropriate) in the span of 50 years if there wasn't a coup of the judicial branch by FDR and Congress?

There was no coup... But thanks for playing.

As Dog stated so succinctly:

Something the Dog Said wrote: As has been repeatedly discussed ad nausem, the limits are that the powers be in the general welfare of the individuals, and to those powers that are necessary and proper for the federal government to execute its duties. This has been established over 200 years and no one, but no one, dispute that other than you and a few deranged individuals. You can continue with your Printsmith Revisionist History Channel, or travel back in time, but neither is going to change the role of the federal government.

We don't much give a sh*t if you don't agree.

(You should wipe that foam from around your mouth... People are starting to notice....)

I'm hoping they wake up and take notice LJ - I'm counting on them doing so to preserve the union from becoming the next Rome. That is why I bring up the history of the coup that FDR and Congress engaged in with the judicial branch. Certainly the children are not taught of this transgression when they are fed the lie that FDR was one of the nation's finest presidents in our schools. They are not taught that the current consolidation of power by the federal government was achieved by the joint efforts of two branches of government to render the other one, along with the coordinate state governments, powerless via their tyranny. What occurred in 1936 was nothing less than a conspiracy that violated the oath that all of them swore to protect and defend the Constitution, a picture perfect example of exploiting a tragedy to seize power if there ever was one. Pure, raw usurpation of power through tyranny of the majority. Co-opting the authority of the judiciary to neutralize its constitutional functions as one of the checks and balances provided by the founders to prevent their creation from becoming the next tyrannical and oppressive government that would have to be abolished by force of arms.

PrintSmith wrote: I'm hoping they wake up and take notice LJ - I'm counting on them doing so to preserve the union from becoming the next Rome. That is why I bring up the history of the coup that FDR and Congress engaged in with the judicial branch. Certainly the children are not taught of this transgression when they are fed the lie that FDR was one of the nation's finest presidents in our schools. They are not taught that the current consolidation of power by the federal government was achieved by the joint efforts of two branches of government to render the other one, along with the coordinate state governments, powerless via their tyranny. What occurred in 1936 was nothing less than a conspiracy that violated the oath that all of them swore to protect and defend the Constitution, a picture perfect example of exploiting a tragedy to seize power if there ever was one. Pure, raw usurpation of power through tyranny of the majority. Co-opting the authority of the judiciary to neutralize its constitutional functions as one of the checks and balances provided by the founders to prevent their creation from becoming the next tyrannical and oppressive government that would have to be abolished by force of arms.

PURE BS

There was no "coup"...But thanks for playing.

What happened in 1936 was a Constitutionally elected majority exercised their right to have the government they wanted...

Deal with it...

Oooo.... Break out the check-off list:

oppressive - check
tyranny -- check
usurpation -- check
seize power -- check
"abolished by force of arms" -- check

You forgot:

"socialist"
"corrupt oligarchy"

...and all the other usual trigger words of the Sovereign Citizen / Federalist / Original Intent / Constitution-worship bullsh*t checklist...

You're slipping again... But I have to hand it to you, you can regurgitate more empty crap-per-square-centimeter than any wingnut I know.