Home Depot Co-Founder Blasts Obama

The government is already involved, whether that was right or wrong is water under the bridge......if we're talking taxpayer money then yeah, we the taxpayers, through our elected representatives, have the right to make suggestions, and even dictate how things are done. In your analogy rockdoc.....if you were paying for our household budget, I would expect you would want a say in how YOUR money is spent.

Soulshiner wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] classical progressive habit [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] the DC government [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah]e fruits of their labor [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

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There.... I've distilled the usual Hamiltonian, 18th-century, Federalist, Sovereign Citizen bullsh*t down to its essence... It saves so much time....

And yes, actually, "provide for the general welfare" DOES allow the government to do what it does... And your continued denial of it is so much righty bullsh*t, and doesn't change the fact.

As I've said before, I'm still in awe of the fantasy world you live in... And I'm forever glad that you haven't got a chance of a snowball-in-hell of institutionalizing your selfish views into reality... I feel sorry for the sociopathic world you live in.

Yeah, we shouldn't have passed the "G.I. Bill of Rights" that guaranteed all those guys in the "Greatest Generation" the chance to go to college; and the "VA Loan" programs that helped most of them buy their houses and start their families....(which included us selfish Baby Boomers)... Humbug... Those bastards should have done it all themselves, and it wasn't a government function to take those tax-dollars from us to pay for it....

I feel sorry for you too... You'll go to your grave feeling like you were "cheated"....

Like I said before, sometimes I think anthrax is a higher life-form on the evolutionary scale.

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It certainly highlights who the adults are.

neptunechimney wrote:

Soulshiner wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] classical progressive habit [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] the DC government [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah]e fruits of their labor [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah]government in DC [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] citizens of the states[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah]. The DC government [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] fruits of their labor [blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] wannabe national government [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] federal government attempting to do something it was never intended to do - provide for the individual welfare [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] What the authors of our Constitution knew, which self labeled progressives seem to ignore[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] men, the ones who pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] protecting the individual liberty that they had secured for themselves for their posterity.

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] the Constitution left this task to the states [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] The national executive has no time to micromanage the operation of the schools [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] the wannabe national one, [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah].

[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] it isn't what we pay taxes to the government in DC for. [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] Association in this nation is voluntary, not compulsory. [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] No one is owed, or has a right to, the food that someone else grows[blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] Compelling someone to participate in charity of another's choosing through the force of the government's ability to levy and collect taxes is as morally bankrupt [blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah][blah] freedom of association is a protected right.

There.... I've distilled the usual Hamiltonian, 18th-century, Federalist, Sovereign Citizen bullsh*t down to its essence... It saves so much time....

And yes, actually, "provide for the general welfare" DOES allow the government to do what it does... And your continued denial of it is so much righty bullsh*t, and doesn't change the fact.

As I've said before, I'm still in awe of the fantasy world you live in... And I'm forever glad that you haven't got a chance of a snowball-in-hell of institutionalizing your selfish views into reality... I feel sorry for the sociopathic world you live in.

Yeah, we shouldn't have passed the "G.I. Bill of Rights" that guaranteed all those guys in the "Greatest Generation" the chance to go to college; and the "VA Loan" programs that helped most of them buy their houses and start their families....(which included us selfish Baby Boomers)... Humbug... Those bastards should have done it all themselves, and it wasn't a government function to take those tax-dollars from us to pay for it....

I feel sorry for you too... You'll go to your grave feeling like you were "cheated"....

Like I said before, sometimes I think anthrax is a higher life-form on the evolutionary scale.

Top ten post on 285.

It certainly highlights who the adults are.

Yes it does, until PrintSmith can learn how to post without all the unnecessary verbiage, he's still an adult wannabe.

Archer, what is wrong with Printsmith's writing? He is probably the best writer on here, sure the posts are long, but they are well written even if you don't agree with him. Seems like an unfair criticism. Don't read them if you don't have the time.

I'd rather read long, well written posts than the same ol short snide remarks by so many posters lately.

Joe wrote: Archer, what is wrong with Printsmith's writing? He is probably the best writer on here, sure the posts are long, but they are well written even if you don't agree with him. Seems like an unfair criticism. Don't read them if you don't have the time.

I'd rather read long, well written posts than the same ol short snide remarks by so many posters lately.

Taking 6 paragraphs to impart 2 paragraphs worth of information is not a good writer. Sure, if he was writing the Great American Novel, that might be appropriate. This is a message board, the idea is to get your message across in as few words/paragraphs as possible. This is why, earlier, I suggested he learn to summarize. It's not a case of not having the time to read PrintSmith's posts, it's that they are so long and tedious, without a clear subject and opinion, they are not worth the time. I don't believe my criticism of his wordy posts is unfair..... if anything it's constructive criticism. He will never get his point across, make his opinions known, if most people he is aiming them at are put off by the length and convoluted style of writing.

It's OK to have a long post once in a while, if the subject matter warrants it, but not post after post after post where people stop reading what you write because not only is the post way too long, but it it's also stuff that has been posted before, many times.

Don't you remember teachers or professors who droned on and on, going over the same stuff, until you tuned them out and probably never learned much from them? I prefer the teacher who grabs your attention, makes you listen because he/she only says it once, but clearly and concisely.....from them, you learn.

I know writing is not my strong point, but editing is.....and that, basically, is what I am doing. And I really wouldn't have bothered if PS's posts hadn't been growing and growing. My aopologies to PS....I wouldn't have posted this if joe hadn't asked.....I thought I was helping when I suggested you learn how to summarize.

Intentionally distorting what was said into what wasn't for the purposes of demagoguery is precisely what has led to the chasm that is so hard to bridge these days archer and the intentional distortions your replies contain can't be properly addressed and exposed for what they are in 140 characters or less.

You're right, all states are not equal in their revenue. Some are more industrial, some are more agricultural overall. Some are sparsely populated and some are densely populated. And that is precisely why a one size fits all national program is going to be ineffective, wasteful and filled with corruption. It is why a national "War on Poverty" begun nearly 50 years ago has yet to impact the percentage of the population that lives in what this nation considers to be poverty despite the trillions of dollars spent on winning that war on a concept.

Being so horribly wrong about seizing power from the states regarding the welfare of the citizens living in the states is not water under the bridge at this point. It can, and should, be changed just as it was changed during the early part of the last century to the failed system we have now. We tried fixing it the regressive way of consolidating power at the federal level, it has failed and now it is time to try something else - something more in line with the manner in which this nation was organized instead of one that ignores how the nation was organized.

There is a reason the Philadelphia Convention abandoned the existing constitution in favor of a new one. Where would we be if they had taken the tack that the Articles of Confederation were water under the bridge that had to be worked with instead of abandoned as ineffective? That is but the beginning of why this argument of yours fails so completely. National governments are corrupt entities that result in everyone but the government class being equally poor. You and Hamilton may believe that they are the most perfect forms of government ever devised by man, but history proves both of you wrong.

archer wrote: Sorry jf1, but at least LJ tried to make sense out of PrintSmith's rambling denouncing of America and all it stands for. I don't take kindly to those who want to destroy what the citizens of this country have worked so hard to build and our young men and women have fought to preserve.

If you think the young men and women of this nation have, over the course of its history, fought to preserve a national government I think you need to do some more reading about the history of this nation.

I didn't say that did I. Our brave men and women fought for our right to vote and choose how we want our government to look and be run. Over the decades this is the government the American people have chosen. You don't like it...we understand that. But the people have spoken as is their right.

It is not the government the people have chosen. It is the government their elected representatives have chosen for them to live under. The two are not one and the same archer. The people did not threaten the Supreme Court to become complicit in the destruction of the Constitution, that was a coordinated effort that involved the executive and legislative branches of the government that desired more power for themselves. An effort that was consecrated once the executive and the Congress were able to place on the bench a strong majority of justices who were more interested in advancing the consolidation of power than they were in adhering to the words and the intent of the Constitution.

It's kind of like saying that Saddam, Stalin and Castro were all democratically elected heads of state. While true in the strictest sense, there's a lot more to the story that generally is not discussed which prevents a clear picture from emerging.

Ate you telling me the American people didn't elect the people making the decisions? My, my....how ever did they get there?

Are you comparing all our presidents to Saddam, Stalin, and Castro. Wow....you get further out into space with every post