Palin a grandma again...out-of-wedlock again...

25 Jul 2011 13:48 #11 by PrintSmith
Faulty premise forwarded once again by the regressives. The reality that her children have become pregnant is equally as indicative of the failure of the sex-education classes included in the public education world that teach birth control methods as they are of the inclusion of abstinence as the only sure way of avoiding an unintended pregnancy in actually preventing unintended pregnancies. Seems that nothing that wiser adults tell them is sufficient to overcome the "friends with benefits" mentality possessed by today's youths. Wonder where that mentality came from? Oh, that's right. It came from attempts by society to remove the stigma associated with giving it up before your wedding night along with the one that tells us it is normal for sex to be part of the expectations of dating in today's world after the first or second date.

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25 Jul 2011 13:59 #12 by JMC

PrintSmith wrote: Faulty premise forwarded once again by the regressives. The reality that her children have become pregnant is equally as indicative of the failure of the sex-education classes included in the public education world that teach birth control methods as they are of the inclusion of abstinence as the only sure way of avoiding an unintended pregnancy in actually preventing unintended pregnancies. Seems that nothing that wiser adults tell them is sufficient to overcome the "friends with benefits" mentality possessed by today's youths. Wonder where that mentality came from? Oh, that's right. It came from attempts by society to remove the stigma associated with giving it up before your wedding night along with the one that tells us it is normal for sex to be part of the expectations of dating in today's world after the first or second date.

You're joking, right? She grew up in a fundamentalist family ! Isn't that what matters?

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25 Jul 2011 14:13 #13 by PrintSmith
I grew up in a pretty conservative family myself jmc. That doesn't mean that my decisions regarding my own life and behavior were in complete agreement with ones my parents would have agreed with in all instances. Not being a parent yourself, I can see how you might overlook the reality that children make decisions that conflict with the values and mores taught to them by their parents on a rather routine and regular basis, especially when those values and mores are held in contempt by society and their peers.

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25 Jul 2011 14:19 #14 by ScienceChic

PrintSmith wrote: Seems that nothing that wiser adults tell them is sufficient to overcome the "friends with benefits" mentality possessed by today's youths. Wonder where that mentality came from? Oh, that's right. It came from attempts by society to remove the stigma associated with giving it up before your wedding night along with the one that tells us it is normal for sex to be part of the expectations of dating in today's world after the first or second date.

I think that cat has been pretty much out of the bag for quite some time now. We can either keep lamenting how things have "gone downhill' in terms of people's morals, or we can start implementing programs that are more effective at getting people to make better choices. Abstinence only education has been shown time and again that it is not the most effective method of birth control - absitnence plus sex education, detailing all the risks, methods, statistics, and consequences is and, no, current education programs do not cover this well. They need much improvement, but have been hampered by people who keep trying to insert their morals in the education process. Just make it about the facts, give people some incentive or easier access to birth control, and help those who do get pregnant to keep their jobs/stay in school and give their baby up for adoption and unintended pregnancy rates and abortion rates would go down. I guarantee it.

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25 Jul 2011 14:25 #15 by JMC

PrintSmith wrote: I grew up in a pretty conservative family myself jmc. That doesn't mean that my decisions regarding my own life and behavior were in complete agreement with ones my parents would have agreed with in all instances. Not being a parent yourself, I can see how you might overlook the reality that children make decisions that conflict with the values and mores taught to them by their parents on a rather routine and regular basis, especially when those values and mores are held in contempt by society and their peers.

Crybaby! You want control by parents and family, not society , I kind of agree but that as we know is not going to make society better, my only point. Family control of behavior is a myth. You lose again.

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25 Jul 2011 14:30 #16 by Martin Ent Inc

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25 Jul 2011 14:36 #17 by PrintSmith

Science Chic wrote: I think that cat has been pretty much out of the bag for quite some time now. We can either keep lamenting how things have "gone downhill' in terms of people's morals, or we can start implementing programs that are more effective at getting people to make better choices. Abstinence only education has been shown time and again that it is not the most effective method of birth control - absitnence plus sex education, detailing all the risks, methods, statistics, and consequences is and, no, current education programs do not cover this well. They need much improvement, but have been hampered by people who keep trying to insert their morals in the education process. Just make it about the facts, give people some incentive or easier access to birth control, and help those who do get pregnant to keep their jobs/stay in school and give their baby up for adoption and unintended pregnancy rates and abortion rates would go down. I guarantee it.

We've given them charity from a wannabe national government at the expense of every citizen in every state for going on 30 or 40 years now SC and the problem hasn't gotten any smaller. In fact, the more aid they are given the more single parent families the nation seems to have. IIRC, which is not a given but I'm nearly 100% sure of, the percentage of families with a single parent was much lower before we started having the federal government act as a national clearinghouse for the collection and distribution of the nation's charity back in the middle 1960's when the "Great Society" push began. Perhaps if we want fewer single parent households the answer lies in less government support instead of more and a larger reliance upon private charity instead of public charity?

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25 Jul 2011 14:49 #18 by LadyJazzer
Darn that ol' "wannabe national government" anyway... <snort>

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25 Jul 2011 16:11 #19 by Something the Dog Said

PrintSmith wrote: Faulty premise forwarded once again by the regressives. The reality that her children have become pregnant is equally as indicative of the failure of the sex-education classes included in the public education world that teach birth control methods as they are of the inclusion of abstinence as the only sure way of avoiding an unintended pregnancy in actually preventing unintended pregnancies. Seems that nothing that wiser adults tell them is sufficient to overcome the "friends with benefits" mentality possessed by today's youths. Wonder where that mentality came from? Oh, that's right. It came from attempts by society to remove the stigma associated with giving it up before your wedding night along with the one that tells us it is normal for sex to be part of the expectations of dating in today's world after the first or second date.

So even though the Palin family is on record promoting abstinence, and Bristol Palin is being over a quarter of million dollars per year as the spokesperson for promoting abstinence, it is the fault of the public schools that another Palin family member gets pregnant out of wedlock. Quite the hypocrite.

It is sad that you place the onus for responsibility from the family and individual and on to the public school system. Should not the family be in charge of the sex education of their children, rather leave it to the public schools? What kind of leader would Palin be if she is incapable of educating her own children of the consequences of unprotected sex?

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25 Jul 2011 16:37 #20 by chickaree
I guess none of you have been young and wildly in love. It's not the parents fault, it's not the schools fault, it's not even the medias fault. It's the hormones fault. My grandmother was born 7 months after her parents wed. Everyone one politely pretended she was an early baby. My grandmother was amused that she was so obviously born of her parents wild and passionate love. They were in love until they died within a week of each other at 87 and 91 years of age.

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