TIPPING POINT! I'm going to bed in a moment- When I get up i got a 2:05 tee time at the Wynn and when i'm done with 18 holes...It should be a better day in America.
Just can't live with the choices they made in 2010, right? Imagine if this catches, state and federal officials recalled every year. We can be like Japan and have 6 prime ministers in 5 years. Where is the recall Obama campaign?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
LadyJazzer wrote: And the first order of business, with a new Governor, will be to rescind that legislation... I can hardly wait. Anything that gets passed can get rescinded. (Remember "Prohibition"...)
Last I knew in Wisconsin something had to get through both houses of the legislature before it could get to the governor's desk to be signed into law. Given that the recall elections won't return complete control of the state government to regressives, I don't see how they hope to devolve back to the old, corrupt way of doing things, even presuming they enjoy the success you envision in the recall elections.
You think that success in a Walker recall won't result in a recall effort against Walker's replacement by the folks who voted for Walker to begin with? That they won't launch a recall election against any new Senator seated as a result of the recall elections? Please. All that this will accomplish is the start of a perpetual recall process in the state of Wisconsin. Many people are quite happy with Walker as governor and the Senators they chose in 2010. They would be more than happy to return in kind the turmoil the union workers have brought to their state to protest the form of corrupt special interest meddling the unions have engaged in after their choices were defeated in the elections last fall.
PrintSmith wrote: You think that success in a Walker recall won't result in a recall effort against Walker's replacement by the folks who voted for Walker to begin with?
Yes... I think the people of Wisconsin are experiencing "buyers remorse" on a HUGE scale, and once they saw what the right-wingers were going to do to their state, they FINALLY woke up and realized they need to stop voting against their own interests... In a recent survey, 60% of those who said they voted for Walker said they were sorry they did so, and if they had it to do over again, knowing what they know now, they would not.
It looks like the "regressives" are about to start "taking back their state from those that thought it needed 'taking back'." The only corrupt special-interest meddling I see is from the Koch Brothers and the TeaBaggers.
UNION is not a dirty word. Neither is "LIBERAL" .... or "PROGRESSIVE"....
"Many people are happy....?" Walker has a 59% DISAPPROVAL rating... It looks like the "many happy people" can't be more than 41%, but if you factor in those that "Don't Know" or are "undecided", it's probably more like 25-30%...
Looks like you guys are all for "what the people decide"...until they decide that they're fed up with the right-wing.
The Viking wrote: You live in Wisconsin? Why do you care so much (snip)
Just another state that is getting ready to carry Obama in 2012. :thumbsup:
Which would be different from 2008? Obama might indeed carry a lot of the same states he did last time around, the problem being that some of those states won't have as many EC votes this go around, and the states that picked them up are not as likely to be carried by Obama in 2012. Florida is by no means a sure bet, and they picked up a couple seats. Texas picked up 4; Georgia, SC, Utah, Nevada and AZ all picked up 1. Obama might still win, but with a far smaller total than he won by before, which would not portend well for him entering a second term, especially given a good possibility that the Senate changes hands and Obama faces a Congress where both houses are controlled by the opposite party, just as Clinton did. Personally I think such a scenario has a chance of working out OK. The last time there was a budget surplus in DC we had a Democrat in the Oval Office and Congress in the hands of Republicans.
Union isn't a dirty word. It's defined benefit public pensions resulting from conflict of interest collective bargaining that harm the taxpayers long term because that recipe is a sure fire way to a result of massive unfunded liabilities, which every public defined benefit pension plan was already encountering well before the economic decline of 2008.
I personally think the state should just hand over the public employee pension plans to the public unions to manage. Have the state pay their agreed upon contributions and then wash their hands of the matter. Let the unions figure out how to make the math work instead of the state taxpayers. Wonder how long the union members would stay enamored with their union then, don't you?
Public workers take jobs that typically pay less that jobs in the private sector because they are trading the lower income for long-term benefits that virtually NO private companies pay any more. Now you want to ensure that they don't even get what they legally bargained for.
I'm not interested in your hand-wringing over "unfunded liabilities", because when they were bargained for, they weren't "unfunded." No, it took a bunch of conservative sleazebags looking for ways to defund the unions, break them using various dirty-tricks (which the righties are so fond of using), in order to drain the funds away and make them "unfunded."
Spare me your crocodile tears for the "poor taxpayers"... I don't know if you noticed, but all of those people out there demonstrating, polling, canvassing, phone-banking and VOTING for Walker and his cronies' heads on platters are "poor taxpayers" who are tired of getting screwed by the "Selfish Party".
It used to be public employees earned less than private but that has flipped upside down.
Get rich young man, go into public service like Congressman, Senators and union prison guards earning 100K a year, allowed to retire early on a generous pension.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
SS109 wrote: It used to be public employees earned less than private but that has flipped upside down.
Get rich young man, go into public service like Congressman, Senators and union prison guards earning 100K a year, allowed to retire early on a generous pension.
This one is classic, and yes I know California is not Wisconsin.
"According to a city report on lifeguard pay for the calendar year 2010, of the 14 full-time lifeguards, 13 collected more than $120,000 in total compensation; one lifeguard collected $98,160.65. More than half the lifeguards collected more than $150,000 for 2010 with the two highest-paid collecting $211,451 and $203,481 in total compensation respectively. Even excluding benefits like health care and pension, more than half the lifeguards receive a total salary, including overtime pay, exceeding $100,000. And they also receive an annual allowance of $400 for “Sun Protection.” Many work four days a week, 10 hours a day.
Lifeguarding in Newport Beach is a pretty good gig, if you can get it."
Walker has a 59% DISAPPROVAL rating... It looks like the "many happy people" can't be more than 41%, but if you factor in those that "Don't Know" or are "undecided", it's probably more like 25-30%...
