Republican Ice Age?

24 Jun 2010 14:09 #1 by ScienceChic
What do you think of this? (this might end up in the Ring...)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 36,00.html
For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh
By Mike Murphy Mon June 22, 2010

I say this because I've made a career out of counting votes, and the numbers tell a clear story; the demographics of America are changing in a way that is deadly for the Republican Party as it exists today. A GOP ice age is on the way.

It is true that attitudes change. A magnificent Republican renewal may still be possible. Conservatism is traditionally energized by a reaction to liberal excess, and the unabashedly leftish tilt of the Obama Administration's domestic agenda does give hope. But demography is a powerful force.


Will the elections this fall really be a watershed for conservatives, or will the focus be on newcomers over incumbents, regardless of party affiliation?

Granted this is only a poll and over a year old so things have certainly changed, but have they changed much?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118528/gop-l ... roups.aspx
GOP Losses Span Nearly All Demographic Groups
Only frequent churchgoers show no decline in support since 2001
by Jeffrey M. Jones
May 18, 2009

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Election%2b2010.aspx
Election 2010

If you could have a hand in changing your party's platform in order to make it better align with the goals of the general public and/or not the self-serving interests of politicians, what would you focus on? I would love to see more fiscal responsibility primarily (I was originally a Republican, then a Dem, but am now registered as an Independent), but also a greater emphasis on environmental issues, education reform, and tech innovation support.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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24 Jun 2010 14:19 #2 by FredHayek
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One point in Republican's favor? The liberal elite are less likely to have kids and more likely to have abortions. So at least on the birthrate of whites, the Conservatives win.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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24 Jun 2010 14:37 #3 by BearMtnHIB
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This guy at Time is dreaming. Yes - eventually the hispanic demographic will change - but the claim that they will still be voting for the left is pure conjecture. This is not written in stone - and many hispanic business owners are catching on to the fact that voting for Democrats is the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.

If we can get ourselves off the socialism bandwagon - hispanics and whites alike will find that we are all better off.

And you start a post today - of all days - accusing the republicans of losing power - when example after example are showing that conservatives everywhere are gaining electoral ground against the left. Ted Kennedys seat was lost to a republican for gods sake - WAKE UP!!

Some people will be singing about how the left has won - long after we have taken our country back from them.

Here's a poll that came out today.....

The latest WSJ/NBC News poll brought more bad news for President Obama and the Democrats.

"For the first time in his presidency, more Americans disapprove of Obama (48%) than approve of him (45%), according to the poll. Meanwhile, 62% say the U.S. is heading in the wrong direction, the highest level since before the 2008 elections, and just 40% give him positive ratings on his "ability to handle a crisis," down from 51% in January."


http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/for-obama-the-hits-just-keep-on-coming-508361.html?tickers=%5EDJI,%5EGSPC,BP,XLF,XLE,GLD,TBT

Republican Ice age my ass.

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24 Jun 2010 15:13 #4 by ScienceChic
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BearMtn you need to chill the hell out. I did nothing of the sort: of accusing Republicans of losing power - I started the thread ASKING "What you thought of this" - not TELLING you what I thought of it.

Again I ASKED what you thought of how the elections will go, not TOLD you.

Then I ASKED what you'd like to change in your party and offered what I'd like to see changed in my former parties.

I don't disagree that Hispanic voters demographics will change - as they increase their prosperity, they will switch affiliations - it is not set in stone that they will, or do, always vote for Dems.

Next time, please read my thread more carefully and don't jump to such hasty and negative conclusions or rudely tell me to Wake Up - read my words and how those words are meant. Asking people what they think is a far cry from telling them/accusing them. I'm trying to have a dialog here, not slam on conservatives, especially as I used to be one. Thanks.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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24 Jun 2010 15:48 #5 by FredHayek
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Another interesting factor is how independent the electorate has become. It used to be about 55% Dem & 45% GOP, but now at least in Colorado, it is 33%GOP/33%Dem/33%Independent. People just don't want to be locked in and will often change votes each election.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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24 Jun 2010 16:28 #6 by cydl
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My gut feeling is that the upcoming elections will have more to do with ousting entrenched incumbents than party affiliation. I know that some of the folks I work with were rabidly pro-Obama before the election. Now they don't like him at all. I think more than a little bit of that is that they had very unrealistic notions of just how much "change" could be brought about in DC. IMHO, change in DC is on a geologic timeframe. A change in presidency has little or nothing to do with it. I know that quite a few folks I work with were very much for McCain until he announced his running mate. Many of them saw the choice of Palin as a cynical move on the part of the GOP to look "progressive" (pardon the pun), and were put off by her lack of experience and her gaffes.

Certainly it will be an interesting election season!

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24 Jun 2010 17:56 #7 by Wayne Harrison
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I, too, think the mood will be "vote ALL the bums" out for awhile. I don't see the Republicans doing any better than the Democrats on that account. The Republicans still have to get over the "party of 'No'" perception.

I've noticed through the years that regardless of who I voted for, things in Washington pretty much stay the same

I'm wondering about a viable third-party candidate and a viable Democratic candidate that might challenge the president. But, if he's anything like past presidents, you'll see a flurry of activity and things getting passed in his last year in office -- prior to the election.

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24 Jun 2010 23:23 #8 by Residenttroll returns
Gee, I thought this would be a thread about Al Gore and his pick up lines for massage therapists.

Now that I realize it's political, here are my thoughts: 1) liberals are minority; 2) Obama and Biden are making GW Bush and Cheney look brilliant. 3) Algore is crashing and burning with his climax change and people are starting to catch on to his fraud, 4) solar and wind energy is a rich man's free energy source paid by taxpayers, 5) millions on unemployment and they see government workers eating well and living well, 6) small businesses are still in pause, 7) we have another wind of foreclosures coming, 8) vouchers in Washington DC produced higher graduation rates; thus, we could have a huge push for transformation in education, 9) taxes will rise in 2011 10) health care costs are going to rise , 11) and China still makes us their sex poodle, 12) Harry Reid is bye-bye even his son has dropped his last name in campaign advertising, 13) did I mention unemployment ...if I did...I will again....because there are millions unemployed and they are getting restless, 14) democrat run liberal states are bankrupt, 15) Republicans should keep yelling Drill baby drill and get rid of the EPA so we don't have to drill in high risk areas, 16) Republicans should keep saying no to more spending and drill it home that the democrats are funding today's votes with your grandchildren's enslavement....is that a legacy you want to leave with your vote, 17) liberals are cracking at the seems....either you go Alinsky or Etheridge on your opponents, 18) Obama and his war strategy sucks

wow, it looks great for the democrats - if you are a mushroom

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25 Jun 2010 07:35 #9 by BearMtnHIB
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I, too, think the mood will be "vote ALL the bums" out for awhile. I don't see the Republicans doing any better than the Democrats on that account.


I'm for replacing all the big spenders - republican or democrat, that's what I see happining right now. A bad republican can cause just as much damage as a bad democrat. I do think that we have more bad democrats though - as they are larger in number in the congress and even at the state house here in Colorado.

So I see many a democrat being caught up in the change coming in November, but some republicans too.

I see tea party candidates doing pretty well - and if they stick to the ideal of following the constitution - I support them. So many of the problems we have now would just go away if we follow the roadmap that made this country great to begin with.

I do think the left has more to lose in this round.

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25 Jun 2010 08:18 #10 by Wayne Harrison
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I think after yesterday's Republican veto of extended jobless benefits, the Republicans can kiss the votes by the unemployed goodbye.

Extended unemployment benefits lapsed at the beginning of June. By Friday, more than 1.2 million people out of work for longer than six months will have found themselves ineligible for the next tier of extended benefits, which were originally provided by the stimulus bill to fight the recession.

Those 1.2 million potential voters won't forget which party is responsible.

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