What the Corridor REALLY Needs is Another Shopping Center

WATER would tie in very heavily with location.......restroom facilities for even a MEDIUM size theater would be a problem, just a guess.
This is NOT the city,where municipalities are a given......because water is a FINITE factor up here,it would figure HEAVILY in any development/public usage plans.

Definitely something to consider, homeagain, and something I won't forget as I try to find the right location. I appreciate you bringing my attention to the issue as it was not at the top of my list of considerations.

We had a movie theater in Aspen park it failed. The one in Evergreen failed and they have alot more people than on this side of the mountain.
Even with the population that exists now there will not be enough local participation to make alot of things go. Good luck to big R but I am willing to bet they won't stay up here.

The mom and pop operations that were here and are here are /were more inportant. we have lost alot of good businesses due to "A new Store" and then it goes away. It ain't Lakewood never will be even if you build it they won't come.

mittra303 wrote: Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, LJ, but if I built up a large cineplex type facility on the space below Sonic in the Conifer Town Center area, wouldn't that offend you as unnecessarily building in an area that doesn't need more buildings? That was what I meant by it would offend people like you.

fwiw I also can't stand unnecessary building and was trying to find solutions that used existing facilities. I even considered trying to use that blight at the entrance to Kings Valley, but its architectural configuration is all wrong for either a bowling alley or a movie theater (although for a roller rink it may not be too bad).

Unlike LJ, I'm very aware that growth is very important to our community and society. I wasn't born in my home, it was built. My community was built. More communities will be built up here because people want to live here, and people who own land are going to be willing to sell it for others to develop into homes and commercial properties. Growth is how our kids will get jobs, and be able to live here as well, if they choose.

I think your idea is great, and the idea of putting a building in a already developed area is a great idea. I used to go to movies when times were better, and would definitely prefer to stay up here if possible. When the economy recovers, I think you will have a busy place on your hands! I think it would be a tough go today, but things will get better, and people will begin to move up here again and want more local entertainment.

By the way, for those who are dissing bowling, it has become big again down in town. Multiple establishments have been built recently which cater to bowling, with some other entertainment.

What part of "I am not dissing bowling... I just don't happen to care for it" are you missing? I also don't care for competition tiddly-winks... That doesn't mean I'm "dissing" it.

Martin Ent Inc wrote: We had a movie theater in Aspen park it failed. The one in Evergreen failed and they have alot more people than on this side of the mountain.

When and where was the theater in Aspen Park? Ten years ago? Fifteen? Was it before or after the King Soopers shopping center was put in? Before or after Safeway moved across the highway to the Town Center? I believe it is a viable business for this community now. I don't think the community was nearly as populated the last time it was tried as it is now. I also am thinking a smaller sized theater (no more than 6 screens) in an highly populated area like either of the shopping centers and not corporate owned by someone like AMC has a real chance at success.

To be quite frank about it, I could give two $h!ts about the other side of the mountain. I moved to Bailey instead of Evergreen because I like this side of the mountain better and think this community is better. You may also note that I believe the theater in Bergen Park failed because it had to compete against the new theater at Colorado Mills and that people on this side of the mountain were not likely to go over to Evergreen for a theater when they could go to any number of theaters in town just as easily. I know that I, for one, don't think about going to Evergreen for entertainment when I could easily head into town for my entertainment.

Priced right, Renegade, I think I could have a busy place on my hands tomorrow if I could open the doors tomorrow. Part of the reason I looked at franchises was I wanted the support and licensing for films that existing theater companies like AMC have, but the notion of having much more local control over my theater is far more appealing.

Was a 4 plex. It was where the Aspen park Drug store Used to be. Yes before KS.
Places that failed or closed even during the Building Boom.

Red Rooster
The Bowling alley bar made $$ but owner was an ass
Multiple eateries can't even count em all
Conifer Hardware Sold ammo and sporting goods
Movie Theater
Aspen Park Drug store sold lots of cool gifts and Liqour.
Gaming store his idea was if you build it they will flock to it
NAPA
Chili's
Aspen Creek Hardware run terribly put Conifer out.
and the list goes on and on.

We contacted a HUGE resturant/sports bar chain that I know the owners of and they did a 2 year study of Conifer/Evergreen area during the Boom, and they sent me the results and stated that there would not be enough revenue generated by the locals and not nearly enough traveler money to succeed.

What retail would work in Conifer? Do any of you think an art gallery would fly in Aspen Park? Maybe in some of the space available by Ravens?

Not sure. There was one at the Yellow barn location that had mostly local artists work.

Maybe a survival store, times are gonna get worse.

Hey we did alot of steel/metal ornamental work for alot of businesses up here and alot are gone, but if you are hell bent we can put up a skyscraper, railing, or any other metal needs ya want.

Their definition of success and my definition of success likely aren't the same. Timing has a lot to do with whether or not a place will be successful. You keep living in the past and talking about the "Boom" and what "used to be" like that means something to now and today. I also think who the owner is and their attitude towards business and the community makes a difference.

Let you in on a little secret? My wife and I are part of the partnership that purchased the Coffee Shack in Bailey in late May. Since we purchased it, we've been very successful. The business is supporting itself (our first measure of success) and is growing every week. That little coffee shop has underwent a nearly annual change in ownership over the past few years. Did that discourage us? Not at all. Why? Because we checked into the history of the building and in each of the stories where the owners failed or gave up it was for reasons that had nothing to do with the business itself. Each one had personal reasons for getting out of the business, yet to someone who hadn't investigated it, it would seem like that business can't possibly be successful because it keeps changing hands.

I expect the theater and the bowling alley to be similar. I acknowledge that they existed previously and were not able to sustain their business, but I also can see circumstances that could have easily predicted their failures. I see a business too far away from the main hub of the community; I see an owner with no respect for his community or clientele; I see a business that tried to run in an area without the population to support it. The difference now is in the timing and the numbers. Look at the traffic numbers Viking presented. More than 25K vehicles through the Conifer area daily. Were that many people commuting back when the last theater made a go of it? Not likely.