Top Military Brass Making More in Pension than Pay

navycpo7 wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: Union Boss's pensions!? Mu ha ha ha ha

Yeah they are so huge..Like $1450/month


And you're pension can't be taken away? lol We can take it away tommarow- Those teachers in Wisconsin actually contributed portions of their wages towards their retirments for 30 years and it got taken away- You've contributed nothing and If there's one thing I learned in my life it's that pensions can be taken away with a swipe of the pen. Overnight. If we are going after government workers, teachers, Social Security and Unions- Then we gotta go after you'rs too Navy..Everythings on the table and we just can't afford to take care of people cradle to gave anymore, sorry

Times have changed

Here is reality for ya, ya can't take it away,

Really?
Just because thats in writing somewhere? Here's reality, so was mine, it was a legal contract, it was actually my money and it was taken away with the swipe of a pen..You're very naive..We paid you to do basically do nothing for 20 years, thats enough

You need to learn how to say "Welcome to Walmart" old timer

ComputerBreath wrote: What y'all aren't getting is that when these guys retire they'll be making more money on their retirement than they were when they were active duty!

Does anyone see a problem with this?

You bet there is something wrong with that whole matter. Even a full pension that pays them the same as when they are on active duty is obscene. I just don't see how that will keep them available. In fact, were I in that situation, I would be totally demotivated to put my but on the line and earn less than when I'm at home tending a garden.

Rockdoc Franz wrote:

ComputerBreath wrote: What y'all aren't getting is that when these guys retire they'll be making more money on their retirement than they were when they were active duty!

Does anyone see a problem with this?

You bet there is something wrong with that whole matter. Even a full pension that pays them the same as when they are on active duty is obscene. I just don't see how that will keep them available. In fact, were I in that situation, I would be totally demotivated to put my but on the line and earn less than when I'm at home tending a garden.

I was never motivated to work for money, I just wanted to help improve the quality of life for workers and their families and when I lost a little interest and felt I wasn't giving my best..I retired. It was never all about me

Vice Lord wrote: Really?
Just because thats (sic - if you had an elementary school child's grasp of the English language you would have typed that's meaning that is) in writing somewhere? Here's reality, so was mine, it was a legal contract, it was actually my money and it was taken away with the swipe of a pen..You're very naive..We paid you to do basically do nothing for 20 years, thats (sic - AGAIN, if you had an elementary school child's grasp of the English language you would have typed that's meaning that is) enough

You need to learn how to say "Welcome to Walmart" old timer

The expected level of decorum in this forum prevents me from using the profanity that would be appropriate for my response so I'll just resort to plain English. Tell us, what you are getting from the Civil Air Patrol as a "veteran" of your service to the nation. Did you devote the majority of your adult life to the defense of your country? Were you responsible for thousands of service members in theaters of war? Did you ever have to write a letter to the family of a deceased service member and attend their memorial service, facing the service member's family face to face? Would you begrudge those who have earned their just rewards from collecting them (don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical (just a little help, that means you don't need to respond because you should already know the answer) question)?

Vice Lord, I doubt you could operate a swab without intense supervision and personal instruction. You wouldn't last 24 hours in an assignment as an E-1 in any branch of the DoD regardless of your MOS or Naval Enlisted Code provided you could pass the ASVAB.

Consider seeking help, you can practice here http://www.military.com/ASVAB if you can't manage to find a couple of McJobs.

Otis, I'm aware that top brass have considerable responsibility. That is why they are paid well while serving. To pay them even more for retirement makes no sense to me at all. Tell me what I'm missing.

otisptoadwater wrote: The expected level of decorum in this forum prevents me from using the profanity that would be appropriate for my response so I'll just resort to plain English. Tell us, what you are getting from the Civil Air Patrol as a "veteran" of your service to the nation. Did you devote the majority of your adult life to the defense of your country? Were you responsible for thousands of service members in theaters of war? Did you ever have to write a letter to the family of a deceased service member and attend their memorial service, facing the service member's family face to face? Would you begrudge those who have earned their just rewards from collecting them (don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical (just a little help, that means you don't need to respond because you should already know the answer) question)?

Vice Lord, I doubt you could operate a swab without intense supervision and personal instruction. You wouldn't last 24 hours in an assignment as an E-1 in any branch of the DoD regardless of your MOS or Naval Enlisted Code provided you could pass the ASVAB.

Well I was a pilot at 14, instrument rated at 18, a certified instrument Flight Instructor at 19, Commercial pilot at 21 with type rating in a 727 & 737- But I could'nt peel potatoes in the Army? Give me a break..People go into the military because they don't have an education and can't find a job. The Air Force recruited at my school (Florida Institute of Technology) I could have gone right in to A-10's if I joined, but I wasn't interested..I sure wouldn't have been a nightwatchman like NavyCop if I had..

Rockdoc Franz wrote: Otis, I'm aware that top brass have considerable responsibility. That is why they are paid well while serving. To pay them even more for retirement makes no sense to me at all. Tell me what I'm missing.

You're not missing anything Roc..It's an outrage

Its good to be on the same team for a change little buddy

Rockdoc Franz wrote: Otis, I'm aware that top brass have considerable responsibility. That is why they are paid well while serving. To pay them even more for retirement makes no sense to me at all. Tell me what I'm missing.

Worst of all I fed the troll, IMHO VL would benefit from a blanket party and a few other helpful motivational exercises I can think of (anyone got a wire brush and some bleach?). Unfortunately that isn't something I can easily execute nor would I unleash on a person who is clearly operating with a room temperature Intelligence Quotient (VL, that means you are not very smart but I take pity on you to some degree).

Regarding why the most senior DoD retirees can gain income each year, that is the way the law is written, senior officers are allowed increases in their retirement. I'm not entirely against putting a cap on the most senior retirees, I'm just asking for some consideration for those who have made the personal commitment and devoted so much of their lives to the defense of the nation. Truth be told most of these individuals stand to make four or five fold more working as consultants in private industry. Few are able to walk in those shoes and those who do suffer a great deal, it's not easy being in command and if you are doing it right you will make enemies as well as friends.

The US is going through a down sizing of the DoD so this specter will go away soon enough and then we will find ourselves under prepared for the next conflict just like after WW I, WW II, Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf "Conflicts."

Meanwhile, what kind of pension deal do the pukes in Congress get?

Vice Lord wrote:

otisptoadwater wrote: The expected level of decorum in this forum prevents me from using the profanity that would be appropriate for my response so I'll just resort to plain English. Tell us, what you are getting from the Civil Air Patrol as a "veteran" of your service to the nation. Did you devote the majority of your adult life to the defense of your country? Were you responsible for thousands of service members in theaters of war? Did you ever have to write a letter to the family of a deceased service member and attend their memorial service, facing the service member's family face to face? Would you begrudge those who have earned their just rewards from collecting them (don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical (just a little help, that means you don't need to respond because you should already know the answer) question)?

Vice Lord, I doubt you could operate a swab without intense supervision and personal instruction. You wouldn't last 24 hours in an assignment as an E-1 in any branch of the DoD regardless of your MOS or Naval Enlisted Code provided you could pass the ASVAB.

Well I was a pilot at 14, instrument rated at 18, a certified instrument Flight Instructor at 19, Commercial pilot at 21 with type rating in a 727 & 737- But I could'nt peel potatoes in the Army? Give me a break..People go into the military because they don't have an education and can't find a job. The Air Force recruited at my school (Florida Institute of Technology) I could have gone right in to A-10's if I joined, but I wasn't interested..I sure wouldn't have been a nightwatchman like NavyCop if I had..

First off you piece of sh*(, its Navycpo, get it right or shut the hell up, second no one in the military that I know or knew was ever a "nightwatchman". I spent over two thirds of my years overseas, on ships in areas that we were ordered to because the stituations there warranted us to be there to assist in many ways. You would not survive the military, you were and still are not good enough for the military. Commerical pilot at 21, I believe not, age for a regular airline pilot is 23. So then you must have flown crop dusters and pulled banners till you reached 23 and got all your hours in, both night time and instruments flyng hours. Then of course you had to have a whole bunch of regular hours also. Either put up or shut up. Prove all of these so called "I am better than everyone" feats. Just like the Civil Air Patrol that you were never part of. Also just for your simple tiny little (and seriously lacking) brain, you would have never gone right into any aircraft in the military. It would be over a year or so of training, no one gets around it, including you. Its pretty bad how you like to tell your stories to overcome your shortcomings

RD, what happened with the pay issue, while on active duty per federal law, the max amount that those in the excutive sked, (top pay scale) are limited to what they can recieve in pay and compensation. Even if the pay increases there is still a max amount that can be paid. When one retires, they get a percentage of that. At 20 years it is 50% of base pay only, not a whole lot. At 30 years it is 75%. Now it depends on when you joined, etc. I do not believe it is right mainly because it makes no sense that you should make more in retirement than while on active duty. After reading up on it alittle, the main reason for changing the the retirement was figured was to try to retain those senior officers due to the wars. They did not want to lose the experience.