Top Military Brass Making More in Pension than Pay

navycpo7 wrote:

Vice Lord wrote:

otisptoadwater wrote: The expected level of decorum in this forum prevents me from using the profanity that would be appropriate for my response so I'll just resort to plain English. Tell us, what you are getting from the Civil Air Patrol as a "veteran" of your service to the nation. Did you devote the majority of your adult life to the defense of your country? Were you responsible for thousands of service members in theaters of war? Did you ever have to write a letter to the family of a deceased service member and attend their memorial service, facing the service member's family face to face? Would you begrudge those who have earned their just rewards from collecting them (don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical (just a little help, that means you don't need to respond because you should already know the answer) question)?

Well I was a pilot at 14, instrument rated at 18, a certified instrument Flight Instructor at 19, Commercial pilot at 21 with type rating in a 727 & 737- But I could'nt peel potatoes in the Army? Give me a break..People go into the military because they don't have an education and can't find a job. The Air Force recruited at my school (Florida Institute of Technology) I could have gone right in to A-10's if I joined, but I wasn't interested..I sure wouldn't have been a nightwatchman like NavyCop if I had..

First off you piece of sh*(, its Navycpo, get it right or shut the hell up, second no one in the military that I know or knew was ever a "nightwatchman". I spent over two thirds of my years overseas, on ships in areas that we were ordered to because the stituations there warranted us to be there to assist in many ways. You would not survive the military, you were and still are not good enough for the military. Commerical pilot at 21, I believe not, age for a regular airline pilot is 23. So then you must have flown crop dusters and pulled banners till you reached 23 and got all your hours in, both night time and instruments flyng hours. Then of course you had to have a whole bunch of regular hours also. Either put up or shut up. Prove all of these so called "I am better than everyone" feats. Just like the Civil Air Patrol that you were never part of. Also just for your simple tiny little (and seriously lacking) brain, you would have never gone right into any aircraft in the military. It would be over a year or so of training, no one gets around it, including you. Its pretty bad how you like to tell your stories to overcome your shortcomings

I was in my 3rd year of college- The Air Force promised me the moon..Took me on back seat A-10 flights out of Patrick AFB numerous times and I attended keg parties there once a month- They recruited me hard..Back then they'd have a keg party for potential recruits and their girlfriends under a tree oak tree right next to an F-15 on the tarmac..And there were gaurds surounding the plane..(cold war) All night! I woulda been a officer and with my dynamic persona I believe woulda eventually become a full bird colonel..But flying became boring to me, you know that feeling you get on a long road trip? My dad who was career Air Force and retired as a 777 captain used to call himself a glorified bus driver and thats where it was going for me.. Despite my father flying jet fighters in 2 wars and killing 1000's of gooks on the ground, then flying commercially for another 20 years I had more respect for my fathers work with the ALPA union..When he retired captains were making 320k a year with 200k pensions..He improved the lives of literally thousands of his fellow employees, so I followed in those footsteps and dedicated my life to helping bring working poor people out of poverty and right into the American Dream of Home ownership, healthcare, college for their kids and vacations..Because of my union organizing people have recieved health care- god only knows how many lives I saved? Because of me 20,000 kids attended college, and their kids, and eventually their kids...How many little Obamas have I created? So don't call me a POS you POS...You spent your life as a tiny cog in a giant killing machine, and our military doesn't go anywhere to assist countries- Just ask those countries we supposidy assited..

I was a child prodigy as a baseball player and pilot. I won the Flight Precision National Collegiate championship my freshman year and woulda won it the next three years if I didn't quit, I quit because there was nothing left to prove..I walked onto the baseball team after not touching a baseball for 4 years, played 3 games and quit because I couldn't get a scholorship I was promised that year..They were all taken before the season started. Was offered one the next, but wasn't interested..We played the Minnisota Twins A ball team who practiced on the same fields as us and I hit 2 back to back home runs against Frank Voila, one went like 560 feet I estimate..



1977

1982- 20 years old- Its a license you dummy..

Vice Lord wrote:

navycpo7 wrote:

Vice Lord wrote:

otisptoadwater wrote: The expected level of decorum in this forum prevents me from using the profanity that would be appropriate for my response so I'll just resort to plain English. Tell us, what you are getting from the Civil Air Patrol as a "veteran" of your service to the nation. Did you devote the majority of your adult life to the defense of your country? Were you responsible for thousands of service members in theaters of war? Did you ever have to write a letter to the family of a deceased service member and attend their memorial service, facing the service member's family face to face? Would you begrudge those who have earned their just rewards from collecting them (don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical (just a little help, that means you don't need to respond because you should already know the answer) question)?

Well I was a pilot at 14, instrument rated at 18, a certified instrument Flight Instructor at 19, Commercial pilot at 21 with type rating in a 727 & 737- But I could'nt peel potatoes in the Army? Give me a break..People go into the military because they don't have an education and can't find a job. The Air Force recruited at my school (Florida Institute of Technology) I could have gone right in to A-10's if I joined, but I wasn't interested..I sure wouldn't have been a nightwatchman like NavyCop if I had..

First off you piece of sh*(, its Navycpo, get it right or shut the hell up, second no one in the military that I know or knew was ever a "nightwatchman". I spent over two thirds of my years overseas, on ships in areas that we were ordered to because the stituations there warranted us to be there to assist in many ways. You would not survive the military, you were and still are not good enough for the military. Commerical pilot at 21, I believe not, age for a regular airline pilot is 23. So then you must have flown crop dusters and pulled banners till you reached 23 and got all your hours in, both night time and instruments flyng hours. Then of course you had to have a whole bunch of regular hours also. Either put up or shut up. Prove all of these so called "I am better than everyone" feats. Just like the Civil Air Patrol that you were never part of. Also just for your simple tiny little (and seriously lacking) brain, you would have never gone right into any aircraft in the military. It would be over a year or so of training, no one gets around it, including you. Its pretty bad how you like to tell your stories to overcome your shortcomings

I was in my 3rd year of college- The Air Force promised me the moon..Took me on back seat A-10 flights out of Patrick AFB numerous times and I attended keg parties there once a month- They recruited me hard..Back then they'd have a keg party for potential recruits and their girlfriends under a tree oak tree right next to an F-15 on the tarmac..And there were gaurds surounding the plane..(cold war) All night! I woulda been a officer and with my dynamic persona I believe woulda eventually become a full bird colonel..But flying became boring to me, you know that feeling you get on a long road trip? My dad who was career Air Force and retired as a 777 captain used to call himself a glorified bus driver and thats where it was going for me.. Despite my father flying jet fighters in 2 wars and killing 1000's of gooks on the ground, then flying commercially for another 20 years I had more respect for my fathers work with the ALPA union..When he retired captains were making 320k a year with 200k pensions..He improved the lives of literally thousands of his fellow employees, so I followed in those footsteps and dedicated my life to helping bring working poor people out of poverty and right into the American Dream of Home ownership, healthcare, college for their kids and vacations..Because of my union organizing people have recieved health care- god only knows how many lives I saved? Because of me 20,000 kids attended college, and their kids, and eventually their kids...How many little Obamas have I created? So don't call me a POS you POS...You spent your life as a tiny cog in a giant killing machine, and our military doesn't go anywhere to assist countries- Just ask those countries we supposidy assited..

I was a child prodigy as a baseball player and pilot. I won the Flight Precision National Collegiate championship my freshman year and woulda won it the next three years if I didn't quit, I quit because there was nothing left to prove..I walked onto the baseball team after not touching a baseball for 4 years, played 3 games and quit because I couldn't get a scholorship I was promised that year..They were all taken before the season started. Was offered one the next, but wasn't interested..We played the Minnisota Twins A ball team who practiced on the same fields as us and I hit 2 back to back home runs against Frank Voila, one went like 560 feet I estimate..



1977

1982- 20 years old- Its a license you dummy..

Since this has gotten off topic, this is all I will say, your pic #2 is not a license, only a certificate of graduation, big difference. And all this BS you stated above, time for you to wake up and get back to reality. Your still a POS. what you don't like being called names, OH well deal with it, and get back on topic of this thread or go away

Hey vl regardless, have a great day.

navycpo7 wrote: Since this has gotten off topic, this is all I will say, your pic #2 is not a license, only a certificate of graduation, big difference. And all this BS you stated above, time for you to wake up and get back to reality. Your still a POS. what you don't like being called names, OH well deal with it, and get back on topic of this thread or go away

It shows you the date I got my Commercial license- You said a person had to be 23 to get one- Then I said I got mine at 21- then you said prove it, so I did..I was actually 20. I was well more than qualified to enter any branch of the military at that point..You don't think The Seals or Rangers would weant a college educated aviator on their team? Please

"The Air Force promised me the moon..Took me on back seat A-10 flights out of Patrick AFB numerous times and I attended keg parties there once a month- They recruited me hard..Back then they'd have a keg party for potential recruits and their girlfriends under a tree oak tree right next to an F-15 on the tarmac..And there were gaurds surounding the plane..(cold war) All night!"

Since this thread is way off topic anyhow I have one question. VL, just out of curiosity do you happen to recall any of the tail numbers of the two seater A-10s you got to ride in?

Why would I? I've driven 100 cars in my life and thats like asking for plate numbers from them..? I've flown the same planes like 50 times and I don't remember the numbers of those..

Patrick AFB 1981-82

Vice Lord wrote: Why would I? I've driven 100 cars in my life and thats like asking for plate numbers from them..? I've flown the same planes like 50 times and I don't remember the numbers of those..

Patrick AFB 1981-82

Just an observation, every A-10 I have ever seen was a single seat aircraft. Since I don't claim to know everything I spent a little time researching A-10's on the Internet, after all I was in the Navy and I'll admit up front that my only role in aviation to date has been as a passenger.

Sure enough, the more I looked around the more I found that there was a two seat version of the A-10. It was the YA-10B, in fact Fairchild Republic developed it as an adverse weather/night strike aircraft in the hope of selling more A-10's to the USAF. Do you recall how many of these aircraft they had on hand at Patrick AFB while you where going along for rides? A couple dozen YA-10Bs maybe? Could it be that I have judged you to harshly? I may have to eat some crow and it always tastes bad...

There was only one

otisptoadwater wrote: Could it be that I have judged you to harshly? I may have to eat some crow and it always tastes bad...

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Vice Lord wrote: There was only one

And it wasn't ever at Patrick AFB was it? The tail number is 73-1664 and it's now a static display at Edwards AFB.

http://www.thewarthogpen.com/73-0664.html

From the website, which I found very informative:

"In 1978 Fairchild Republic (FR) reveled plans for a night attack, adverse weather two seat A-10 in the hopes of increasing sale of the Warthog to the USAF. This self funded project would show the increased capabilities possible with the addition of a radar pod, flir pod, and a second crew member to help with the workload and operate the complex systems. The Air Force donated the first pre-production DT&E aircraft for modification by FR into the two seat NAWs A-10.

In the end the AF was not interested in a night attack A-10 nor a two-seat trainer. There are lots of rumors and opinions on why the AF decided against the two-seat A-10 but when all is said and done, they did, and the program went dormant in 1980 but, didn't completely die... not yet anyway!

As I said the program didn't die when the AF rejected the concept because in 1982 Fairchild Republic responded to a "letter of interest" form a small Middle Eastern country named The United Arab Emirates or UAE."

So, if you had ridden in the only YA-10B prototype you would have had to have been one of very few people to have ever flown in that aircraft. I'm not aware of any DoD branch that condones taking civilians for rides in prototype aircraft, I can tell you with a high level of confidence that corporations like Fairchild Republic would never accept that much liability.

So congratulations VL, your credibility has leaped up about a half a micron with me - there is such a thing as a two seat version of the A-10.