Soulshiner wrote: If christians are against actions that are a violation of the laws of their faith, then why do they support war? Thou shall not kill is in their original founding document. Why do they pay taxes that support the military, guns, and nuclear weapons?
If the law were as you are attempting to portray it Soulshiner, then Christians could not eat for in order to eat plants must be killed, animals must be killed. No, the law is not thou shall not kill at all, the law is thou shall not kill without justification or excuse - in other words, thou shall not murder.
LadyJazzer wrote: If his government doesn't have the right to compel him to break those laws by participating in the funding of whatever he doesn't believe in, then they have no right to compel me to pay for school vouchers for religious schools; to build bombs and delivery systems to kill other human beings, etc.
Get your friggin' Church out of my State... You don't want contraception? Don't get it.
What religion do you belong to that forbids school vouchers for religious schools LJ? What religion do you belong to that forbids self defense? What religion are you claiming is not being allowed to be freely exercised in violation of the Constitution?
Soulshiner wrote: If christians are against actions that are a violation of the laws of their faith, then why do they support war? Thou shall not kill is in their original founding document. Why do they pay taxes that support the military, guns, and nuclear weapons?
If the law were as you are attempting to portray it Soulshiner, then Christians could not eat for in order to eat plants must be killed, animals must be killed. No, the law is not thou shall not kill at all, the law is thou shall not kill without justification or excuse - in other words, thou shall not murder.
Which is what the ancient Hebrew word implies. לא תרצח (lo tirtzach) to murder/kill resulting in bloodguilt.
And yes, Secular Humanists ARE anti-war... A major reason why I like them. (Ever hear about "turning the other cheek?")
And 98% of so-called Catholics believe in, and USE birth-control/contraception... Who knew?!?!? That's the nice thing about Catholicism...It's like a cafeteria...Today you can be outraged about something you were doing yesterday...And tomorrow, what you're outraged about today, you can go back to doing tomorrow....
Choosing to separate yourself from the grace of God is not something the Catholic Church has any control over anymore than choosing to murder someone is something that the society has any control over. That members of the Catholic faith willingly separate themselves from God's grace has no bearing on what the law is, nor on the ability of this government to compel them to violate the law.
Spare me your apologist b.s. for the Catholic Church... Lecturing about "God's grace" when the CHURCH is transferring child-molesters around to protect them from law enforcement authorities renders you irrelevant.
I choose to be a Secular Humanist today, and I'm anti-war. Your beliefs do NOT get to trump mine just because there's more of you. I've "separated myself" from nothing other than hypocrisy and patriarchal superstition.
Good for you, you are anti-war. Now, are you anti all war, or only anti some war? If you are anti all war, then you would by necessity condemn the war that was fought to remove this union from the British Empire, the war that was fought to liberate slaves and the war that was fought to defeat Hitler, right? None of those wars should have been fought because all war is wrong according to your "religion" today, correct?
Good for you, you are anti-contraception. Now, are you anti-ALL contraception, or only anti-some contraception? Then you would necessarily condemn the contraception that would have happened outside your own (presumably) 100% church-compliant household. (Do you eat seafood?... I hear that's "an abomination", (Lev 11:10). Correct?
