Obamacare Violates The Separation Of Church & State?

archer wrote: Deal...that's easy...no one has ever told a conservative she HAS to use birth control.

But someone did recently attempt to tell Catholics that they were required to pay the entire cost for the elective choice made by someone else to use it.

Just as any other company must. Without taking sides on whether or not providing contraception without co pays is a good idea (free is a misnomer), I don't believe the Catholic church should get special treatment as a business. As a church, yes, and they do. But not as a business.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Soulshiner wrote: No one has a right to sex? It's long past time for anyone to take you seriously anymore.

You do have a right to sex? Does that means you can rape someone if you want sex? NO... I don't think you have a right to sex.

Sure, goats are not people. Just don't get caught. :Whistle

neptunechimney wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Soulshiner wrote: No one has a right to sex? It's long past time for anyone to take you seriously anymore.

You do have a right to sex? Does that means you can rape someone if you want sex? NO... I don't think you have a right to sex.

Sure, goats are not people. Just don't get caught. :Whistle

I said "rape someone". A goat is not someone. Not where I come from.

You might be the only one to equate rape with sex. You have the right to own a gun but you can't just shoot someone. If you think you don't have a right to sex, then you are okay with the police storming in when you are having sex for any other reason than procreation.

You should know, the puritans are long gone.

Soulshiner wrote: You might be the only one to equate rape with sex. You have the right to own a gun but you can't just shoot someone. If you think you don't have a right to sex, then you are okay with the police storming in when you are having sex for any other reason than procreation.

You should know, the puritans are long gone.

Explain to me how you have the right to have sex?

I think you guys talk past each other on purpose. An adult couple has the right to have sex. A single person does not.

archer wrote: What is the old saying? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? In time I believe that making preventive medicine available without co-pays will encourage people to avail themselves of those services and bring down the cost of medical care. We wont need to spend as much on expensive cures if we help people prevent a disease or catch it early. Birth control, readily available and cheap or free, can also lower the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. I've actually seen conservatives here suggest we promote birth control over abortion. Good idea?

It won't be free and it will not reduce costs...

Asked what impact the requirement will have on their costs in the year to two years after it goes into effect, 40 percent of the participants said they expect the requirement will increase costs through higher pharmacy expenses.

The survey of pharmacy directors at the health plans was conducted on Wednesday by Reimbursement Intelligence, which advises pharmaceutical, medical device and other companies on reimbursement issues. The firm did not name the insurance plans it surveyed.

Of the health plans, 20 percent said costs would even out because they already budget for contraception in the premium, 6.7 percent said it would drive up pharmacy costs but decrease medical costs, while 33.3 percent weren’t sure. None said it would lead to net savings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/ ... 3Z20120216

But you know better than the industry.

Says who? Some irrelevant superstitious patriarchal group(s)?

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neptunechimney wrote: I think you guys talk past each other on purpose. An adult couple has the right to have sex. A single person does not.

No one has the right to have sex. Do one can demand sex from anyone else, just because they think they have some right to it. I don't care if they are a couple, a threesome or an orgy. If the other person refuses your advances, you have no right to demand sex.