Nobody that matters wrote: I'm just gonna put everyone on my foe list.
I'll probably get a whole lot more work done.
And for those who have me on "ignore" I would like to let you know that I have been exchanging emails with the management here at 285 Bound, I spent some time in retrospect considering my position here, the way I approach topics, and a quick trip to Room 101, well... I'm alright now. So, I'm not telling anyone take me off "ignore" or even care, but I just wanted to let you know I've been changed.
You know last night I went to bed thinking about how excited I was when we were starting this site 2 years ago to give this community what they seemed to want so bad. A place to call home without worry of a site screwing them over, banning them for no reason, etc.
In my view you all have a good thing going here and to argue whether all private messages should be public is confusing to me. We researched about how to do this and always did our best to do it fairly without favoritism. If someone's PM was left up it may have been an oversight. Or both parties were fine with it. But the sites can't catch everything. If the post has some personal info, report it and if the member's want it removed the mods will handle it. That is up to the two individuals that posted. A PM about sadles or blankets a year or more ago, was not the end of the world to both posters but it is not the site’s decision it is two members that wrote the PMs decision, so for us we pull it until they decide. There is an incredible amount of text to go over and the site has proven over and over that they want to keep all of you as members. And they want you to feel involved and give feedback by giving a ‘letters to the editor’ section and not making bashing of the site or mods part of the TOS in any way.
To read PM's is alot of work and I personally do not feel comfortable treating you all like children that can't handle your own PMs. They are private messages that may have personal info like phone numbers and addresses. Or a kind word about how you have the same illness or that you want to help them financially because they said something on the site about needing help. That to me is what the PM system is all about. And don't you know that if they started to become public, then we all could be accused of something else, like using personal info for gain or that you all don't have privacy. Does it end somewhere? I don't want to know your personal info unless you want to give it to me.
I do not in any way understand why anyone would believe that their private messages should be posted all over and forgive me right now I am sad beyond what I ever expected from myself. Did you guys really want true freedom or do you all want to go back to PC and be treated like kindergartners? Personally, I don't know what is wanted. You got two or even more choices. It is not perfect and sometimes it is an art not science.
This is my personal opinion. I do not own 285 Bound and as an owner of Communities Bound I just help the affiliates with advice and tech issues. But I have worked with this site for a long time and I know the community issues and the issues with PC. This discussion is not making sense to me so can someone tell me why you would send PM's to others if you knew it was fair game to everyone? I must be missing something.
Really, I always have loved running this site (when I owned it) and meeting new people. I really like you guys. I just want to get to the bottom of the real issue and I can't see the necessity of reading PMs. If you want to understand wackjobs (subjective term I try not to think that way), trust me you can't control them you just do your best to ignore it.
Do not get me wrong, I think feedback is great. We always have listened and don't keep you from your true questions. And I understand the debate but I don't understand this for some reason.
And let me ask you this would you want other sites reading then posting your PMs?
This forum thread (linked above) indicates that the email author has copyright and so their emails cannot be published without their permission. [/i]
For a more detailed look at the legal issues surrounding publishing emails or even forwarding emails without the consent of the original author visit this law site here .
Meanwhile it also might be the case that Internet Service Providers prohibit the publication of private emails as per their terms of service. They take violations of their terms of service very seriously and can withdraw service from anyone who breaches their code of conduct.
It is always worth checking your service providers terms of service to see if your emails are protected by copyright and if so, how you can report people publishing your emails online, to your service provider.
I will state again, just to be clear, if someone sends me a PM, it is the same as putting it on paper, sticking it in an envelope and mailing it. Once I receive it, it is MINE. If someone doesn't want their hateful stuff seen by others, perhaps they shouldn't post it, just to get around being "on ignore." If I got a letter in the mail, what's the difference between me showing that piece of paper around?
I did NOT post the PM, (according to the TOS) because I saw who it was from and deleted it without reading it. That was an appropriate solution to me. However, if I had chosen to read it, and it was hateful, I see no reason not to expose the person's hate for the rest of the world to see.
My 2-cent's worth... And I realize I cannot change the TOS... But if someone sends it to me, it should be MINE to do with what I please...up to, and including reporting it to law enforcement authorities if I deem it to be threatening.
LadyJazzer wrote: I will state again, just to be clear, if someone sends me a PM, it is the same as putting it on paper, sticking it in an envelope and mailing it. Once I receive it, it is MINE. If someone doesn't want their hateful stuff seen by others, perhaps they shouldn't post it, just to get around being "on ignore." If I got a letter in the mail, what's the difference between me showing that piece of paper around?
I did NOT post the PM, (according to the TOS) because I saw who it was from and deleted it without reading it. That was an appropriate solution to me. However, if I had chosen to read it, and it was hateful, I see no reason not to expose the person's hate for the rest of the world to see.
My 2-cent's worth... And I realize I cannot change the TOS... But if someone sends it to me, it should be MINE to do with what I please...up to, and including reporting to the law enforcement authorities if I deem it to be threatening.
Nobody that matters wrote: I'm just gonna put everyone on my foe list.
I'll probably get a whole lot more work done.
And for those who have me on "ignore" I would like to let you know that I have been exchanging emails with the management here at 285 Bound, I spent some time in retrospect considering my position here, the way I approach topics, and a quick trip to Room 101, well... I'm alright now. So, I'm not telling anyone take me off "ignore" or even care, but I just wanted to let you know I've been changed.
Room 101?
The electroshock lab at the State Hospital on 13th street down in Pueblo.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
Hey LJ, of course it can be spread all over just not publicly posted here. If the sender takes that responsibility for that there is little that can be done. We are adults here.
It also can be changed when forwarding. I don't always believe what people tell me second hand. We are human creatures.
CinnamonGirl wrote: This discussion is not making sense to me so can someone tell me why you would send PM's to others if you knew it was fair game to everyone? I must be missing something.
I don't include any personal information in PMs unless I know and trust the recipient. I don't send hateful PMs because I don't feel the need. In order to deter those that do feel the need to be spiteful only in private (a cowardly move), a policy of being able to post hateful PMs would certainly be viewed by me as encouraging freedom rather than eliminating it. I am subject to rules that I feel are far too restrictive regarding my ability to respond to hate.
CinnamonGirl wrote: Really, I always have loved running this site (when I owned it) and meeting new people. I really like you guys. I just want to get to the bottom of the real issue and I can't see the necessity of reading PMs. If you want to understand wackjobs (subjective term I try not to think that way), trust me you can't control them you just do your best to ignore it.
Do not get me wrong, I think feedback is great. We always have listened and don't keep you from your true questions. And I understand the debate but I don't understand this for some reason.
And let me ask you this would you want other sites reading then posting your PMs?
Again, I wouldn't care if someone posted my PMs because I'm as careful in them as I am with a public posting. I understand your point of view - you put the privacy of the members as your number 1 priority. your opinions on posting PMs reflects that priority. In order to understand a different point of view, try realizing that some of us feel that freedom and the ability to respond to hateful attitudes is more important than privacy. If you change the priorities you will begin to understand how PMs are not protected by sacred privacy.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
CinnamonGirl wrote: This discussion is not making sense to me so can someone tell me why you would send PM's to others if you knew it was fair game to everyone? I must be missing something.
I don't include any personal information in PMs unless I know and trust the recipient. I don't send hateful PMs because I don't feel the need. In order to deter those that do feel the need to be spiteful only in private (a cowardly move), a policy of being able to post hateful PMs would certainly be viewed by me as encouraging freedom rather than eliminating it. I am subject to rules that I feel are far too restrictive regarding my ability to respond to hate.
CinnamonGirl wrote: Really, I always have loved running this site (when I owned it) and meeting new people. I really like you guys. I just want to get to the bottom of the real issue and I can't see the necessity of reading PMs. If you want to understand wackjobs (subjective term I try not to think that way), trust me you can't control them you just do your best to ignore it.
Do not get me wrong, I think feedback is great. We always have listened and don't keep you from your true questions. And I understand the debate but I don't understand this for some reason.
And let me ask you this would you want other sites reading then posting your PMs?
Again, I wouldn't care if someone posted my PMs because I'm as careful in them as I am with a public posting. I understand your point of view - you put the privacy of the members as your number 1 priority. your opinions on posting PMs reflects that priority. In order to understand a different point of view, try realizing that some of us feel that freedom and the ability to respond to hateful attitudes is more important than privacy. If you change the priorities you will begin to understand how PMs are not protected by sacred privacy.
"If you change the priorities you will begin to understand how PMs are not protected by sacred privacy." I don't agree. I think the concept of privacy is protected by my morals. And as far as I'm concerned it's morally wrong to expose something that was sent-given-entrusted-delivered-handed to you under the concept of "private." I think the meaning of the word trumps any other variations.
