Added +30K per household in share of national debt. + 5 Trillion
Several thousands per year in lost interest on savings and even more in IRAs
Several thousands per year in higher health insurance premiums.
Many thousands of new regulations impacting practically everything from banking to health care to car design to energy use.
No substantial movement on entitlement or tax reform or long term debt.
Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure after a few beers I could think of many more.
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
Wow, if all those were Obama's fault, I'd be upset too...
(For the record, "Several thousands per year in lost interest on savings and even more in IRAs" happened LONG before he took office...) Same thing for some of the others...
Never said I blamed it only on Obama. There is the Fed, Congress, and many others for sure.
The question was "Are you better off than you were in 2008"
I'm doing ok, and I don't look to Government to make me "better off". I just hope they don't do stupid things and make me worse off, or make the country worse off overall!
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
Added +30K per household in share of national debt. + 5 Trillion
Several thousands per year in lost interest on savings and even more in IRAs
Several thousands per year in higher health insurance premiums.
Many thousands of new regulations impacting practically everything from banking to health care to car design to energy use.
No substantial movement on entitlement or tax reform or long term debt.
Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure after a few beers I could think of many more.
And the largest unprecedented growth in the federal government, in history, not only in sheer numbers but in percentage and in salaries.
FredHayek wrote: Look at how the non-union Republican South is attracting automotive companies from around the world, bringing jobs to the US, wheras the Dem & union dominated Detroit continues to lose jobs.
Look at how the non union south has higher unemployment rates than the unionized north. How does that fit with your theory.....it seem the blue states are doing better on the whole than red states, even Ohio and Michigan are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas.
Unemployment Rates for States
Unemployment Rates for States
Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Dec. 2011p
Rank State Rate
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.3
2 NEBRASKA 4.1
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.2
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.1
4 VERMONT 5.1
6 IOWA 5.6
7 MINNESOTA 5.7
8 WYOMING 5.8
9 UTAH 6.0
10 OKLAHOMA 6.1
11 VIRGINIA 6.2
12 KANSAS 6.3
13 HAWAII 6.6
13 NEW MEXICO 6.6
15 MARYLAND 6.7
16 LOUISIANA 6.8
16 MASSACHUSETTS 6.8
16 MONTANA 6.8
19 MAINE 7.0
20 WISCONSIN 7.1
21 ALASKA 7.3
22 DELAWARE 7.4
23 PENNSYLVANIA 7.6
24 ARKANSAS 7.7
25 TEXAS 7.8
26 COLORADO 7.9
26 WEST VIRGINIA 7.9
28 MISSOURI 8.0
28 NEW YORK 8.0
30 ALABAMA 8.1
30 OHIO 8.1
32 CONNECTICUT 8.2
33 IDAHO 8.4
34 WASHINGTON 8.5
35 ARIZONA 8.7
35 TENNESSEE 8.7
37 OREGON 8.9
38 INDIANA 9.0
38 NEW JERSEY 9.0
40 KENTUCKY 9.1
41 MICHIGAN 9.3
42 SOUTH CAROLINA 9.5
43 GEORGIA 9.7
44 ILLINOIS 9.8
45 FLORIDA 9.9
45 NORTH CAROLINA 9.9
47 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 10.4
47 MISSISSIPPI 10.4
49 RHODE ISLAND 10.8
50 CALIFORNIA 11.1
51 NEVADA 12.6
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Did you actually look at the list? Your statement would be true if you left off Nevada, California, Rhode Island, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, and Indiana.
FredHayek wrote: Look at how the non-union Republican South is attracting automotive companies from around the world, bringing jobs to the US, wheras the Dem & union dominated Detroit continues to lose jobs.
Look at how the non union south has higher unemployment rates than the unionized north. How does that fit with your theory.....it seem the blue states are doing better on the whole than red states, even Ohio and Michigan are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas.
Unemployment Rates for States
Unemployment Rates for States
Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Dec. 2011p
Rank State Rate
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.3
2 NEBRASKA 4.1
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.2
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.1
4 VERMONT 5.1
6 IOWA 5.6
7 MINNESOTA 5.7
8 WYOMING 5.8
9 UTAH 6.0
10 OKLAHOMA 6.1
11 VIRGINIA 6.2
12 KANSAS 6.3
13 HAWAII 6.6
13 NEW MEXICO 6.6
15 MARYLAND 6.7
16 LOUISIANA 6.8
16 MASSACHUSETTS 6.8
16 MONTANA 6.8
19 MAINE 7.0
20 WISCONSIN 7.1
21 ALASKA 7.3
22 DELAWARE 7.4
23 PENNSYLVANIA 7.6
24 ARKANSAS 7.7
25 TEXAS 7.8
26 COLORADO 7.9
26 WEST VIRGINIA 7.9
28 MISSOURI 8.0
28 NEW YORK 8.0
30 ALABAMA 8.1
30 OHIO 8.1
32 CONNECTICUT 8.2
33 IDAHO 8.4
34 WASHINGTON 8.5
35 ARIZONA 8.7
35 TENNESSEE 8.7
37 OREGON 8.9
38 INDIANA 9.0
38 NEW JERSEY 9.0
40 KENTUCKY 9.1
41 MICHIGAN 9.3
42 SOUTH CAROLINA 9.5
43 GEORGIA 9.7
44 ILLINOIS 9.8
45 FLORIDA 9.9
45 NORTH CAROLINA 9.9
47 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 10.4
47 MISSISSIPPI 10.4
49 RHODE ISLAND 10.8
50 CALIFORNIA 11.1
51 NEVADA 12.6
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Did you actually look at the list? Your statement would be true if you left off Nevada, California, Rhode Island, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, and Indiana.
Did you actually look at the list? Michigan and New Jersey and New York and Pennsylvania are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas and Mississippi and Florida. This was in response to Fred's claim the the southern states without unions were doing better than the northern states...... Nit pick all you want....Fred's statement was wrong, but it seems to be a popular lie within the conservative ranks. CA and NV last time I looked were in the west......but even if you include them, Fred's statement is still a lie. I apologize for using the terms red states & blue states, apparently you were unable to discern that the discussion was about northern and southern states, and neither of those states qualify.
FredHayek wrote: Look at how the non-union Republican South is attracting automotive companies from around the world, bringing jobs to the US, wheras the Dem & union dominated Detroit continues to lose jobs.
Look at how the non union south has higher unemployment rates than the unionized north. How does that fit with your theory.....it seem the blue states are doing better on the whole than red states, even Ohio and Michigan are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas.
Unemployment Rates for States
Unemployment Rates for States
Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Dec. 2011p
Rank State Rate
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.3
2 NEBRASKA 4.1
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.2
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.1
4 VERMONT 5.1
6 IOWA 5.6
7 MINNESOTA 5.7
8 WYOMING 5.8
9 UTAH 6.0
10 OKLAHOMA 6.1
11 VIRGINIA 6.2
12 KANSAS 6.3
13 HAWAII 6.6
13 NEW MEXICO 6.6
15 MARYLAND 6.7
16 LOUISIANA 6.8
16 MASSACHUSETTS 6.8
16 MONTANA 6.8
19 MAINE 7.0
20 WISCONSIN 7.1
21 ALASKA 7.3
22 DELAWARE 7.4
23 PENNSYLVANIA 7.6
24 ARKANSAS 7.7
25 TEXAS 7.8
26 COLORADO 7.9
26 WEST VIRGINIA 7.9
28 MISSOURI 8.0
28 NEW YORK 8.0
30 ALABAMA 8.1
30 OHIO 8.1
32 CONNECTICUT 8.2
33 IDAHO 8.4
34 WASHINGTON 8.5
35 ARIZONA 8.7
35 TENNESSEE 8.7
37 OREGON 8.9
38 INDIANA 9.0
38 NEW JERSEY 9.0
40 KENTUCKY 9.1
41 MICHIGAN 9.3
42 SOUTH CAROLINA 9.5
43 GEORGIA 9.7
44 ILLINOIS 9.8
45 FLORIDA 9.9
45 NORTH CAROLINA 9.9
47 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 10.4
47 MISSISSIPPI 10.4
49 RHODE ISLAND 10.8
50 CALIFORNIA 11.1
51 NEVADA 12.6
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Did you actually look at the list? Your statement would be true if you left off Nevada, California, Rhode Island, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, and Indiana.
Did you actually look at the list? Michigan and New Jersey and New York and Pennsylvania are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas and Mississippi and Florida. This was in response to Fred's claim the the southern states without unions were doing better than the northern states...... Nit pick all you want....Fred's statement was wrong, but it seems to be a popular lie within the conservative ranks. CA and NV last time I looked were in the west......but even if you include them, Fred's statement is still a lie. I apologize for using the terms red states & blue states, apparently you were unable to discern that the discussion was about northern and southern states, and neither of those states qualify.
But you can't trust those unemployment numbers because so much of the rust belt has fallen off unemployment rolls. Do they have a breakdown by state for lost jobs under Obama?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Gee Fred maybe it's time you showed us where you got your information that southern non union states are doing better than the northern states. Or did you just pull that out of the air and state it as fact?
archer wrote: Did you actually look at the list? Michigan and New Jersey and New York and Pennsylvania are doing better than Georgia and the Carolinas and Mississippi and Florida. This was in response to Fred's claim the the southern states without unions were doing better than the northern states...... Nit pick all you want....Fred's statement was wrong, but it seems to be a popular lie within the conservative ranks. CA and NV last time I looked were in the west......but even if you include them, Fred's statement is still a lie. I apologize for using the terms red states & blue states, apparently you were unable to discern that the discussion was about northern and southern states, and neither of those states qualify.
But you can't trust those unemployment numbers because so much of the rust belt has fallen off unemployment rolls. Do they have a breakdown by state for lost jobs under Obama?
