What does American exceptionalism mean to you?

Raees wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

jmc wrote: I always thought it meant a country of immigrants that did not buy into aristocracy or birthright.
What does this term mean for you?

A place where people were willing to risk dying to get into it rather than dying trying to escape from it. A place where people were willing to leave everything they knew behind in exchange for the opportunity to change the future for their posterity if they worked hard enough.

Ah yes, the old third world country citizens want to come to a first-world country so we must be really great argument. How many Canadians want to flee their homeland for the U.S.? How many British, how many French, Germans or Italians? You'll find most are very happy in their own country and don't think much of living in the United States.

In present day, how attractive is the U.S. to those who live in other first-world countries? Not very.

And the worn-out retort to this post would be, "If you think it's so great over there, why don't you move?" The answer is simple. I will when I retire.

And the other thing you will discover is that the ones who do seek to leave other first-world countries and come here do so because they are looking to escape the existing class structures which the governments of those other first-world countries continue to promulgate and support. Dentists in those other first-world countries go on vacation for the rest of the year when they have treated as many patients as the government will reimburse them for. A dentist from the UK will migrate here to practice if they desire to earn as much as they wish instead of as much as the government will pay them annually. Same for other doctors and specialists. When one is content with their station in life, they do nothing to alter the existing structure and actually seek to further it. It is only those who are discontented that seek alternatives to what they currently have. Tell me Raees, how many people from second and third world nations choose Canada, the UK, Germany or Italy to migrate to as their first choice over this union of ours? Isn't that, perhaps, a better measure than comparing how many citizens from here would rather be citizens of other nations or how many citizens of other nations would rather migrate here? Any why wait until you retire to migrate? Why wait until the final years of your life to enjoy a better life? Why not enjoy that better life for the majority of your years instead of the minority of them? The answer to that is simple, isn't it? You have an opportunity here that you would lack if you migrated there now instead of waiting until you retired. That opportunity is the one to achieve sufficient means to retire earlier than you could in the rigid class societies that exist in those other countries, right?

Tell me Raees, how many people from second and third world nations choose Canada, the UK, Germany or Italy to migrate to as their first choice over this union of ours?

Actually- I know of a few who are choosing Canada- some immigrants are finding it easier to go to Canada (legally) these days.

I don't know of many choosing the UK, Germany or Italy to migrate to. Those countries are mostly experiencing third world immigrants, who are coming from Africa and Asia- and even a socialist state in Europe is better than where they come from.

But what makes Raees think that a European country wants rif-raff from the USA? What makes you think they will accept you in Europe? They will kick your ass out of there if you think you can just move in there like illegals do here.

Might want to re-think those retirement plans.

Lucky Luckhurst wrote:

jmc wrote: I always thought it meant a country of immigrants that did not buy into aristocracy or birthright.
What does this term mean for you?

You know...I only ask questions that I want the answer too, I don't ask questions just to ask questions. Who could possibly care what American exceptionalism means to people at 285Bound!?

Who!?

Seriously now..

and PS- I did'nt read the thread, im not going to read the thread, and I can't imagine what goes through the mind of someone who would.

This comes from the blockhead that posted " What did you get for fathers day" I feel the same about your even dumber question.

Raees wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

jmc wrote: I always thought it meant a country of immigrants that did not buy into aristocracy or birthright.
What does this term mean for you?

A place where people were willing to risk dying to get into it rather than dying trying to escape from it. A place where people were willing to leave everything they knew behind in exchange for the opportunity to change the future for their posterity if they worked hard enough.

Ah yes, the old third world country citizens want to come to a first-world country so we must be really great argument.

How many Canadians want to flee their homeland for the U.S.? How many British, how many French, Germans or Italians? You'll find most are very happy in their own country and don't think much of living in the United States.

In present day, how attractive is the U.S. to those who live in other first-world countries? Not very, from the people I've spoken to. Who would want to move to a new country where you could go bankrupt paying your medical bills or where it's first in the world in obesity, teen pregnancy, eating disorders, schizophrenia, down syndrome, motor vehicle deaths, pollution, murders with firearms, total crime and prisoners?

And the worn-out retort to this post would be, "If you think it's so great over there, why don't you move?" The answer is simple. I will when I retire.

Anyone seen the numbers of Euros emigrating to America versus Americans emigrating to Europe?

R,
Want to retire to Europe? A liberal friend looked into that and found they don't really want you coming in and taking jobs or dipping into the welfare system, but good luck with that. Housing prices are still declining in Spain.

BMH, all I can tell you is I have researched it, tens of thousands have gone before me, and Americans who can support themselves financially are welcomed.

Where I'm going to retire is not a "better" place, it's "another" place and one that I think will serve well as a base to weather any coming economic or other catastrophe. There's a whole world out there. Why spend your entire life in the same place? It's like living in one state your entire life. I'm thankful to have been born in the United States and have the opportunity to move about the world and live elsewhere, if I chose.

Because I chose to live that last part of my life somewhere doesn't mean I like it better than the United States. It only means it has certain things I want in my later life that I cannot have or afford here in the U.S. I also can't just quit my job and start retirement early, although I really wish that were financially possible.

And if I had lived there, as a citizen, I would have already been retired. As you know, the U.S. probably has the highest retirement age in the world. We also work more hours and get less vacation. Here, we live to work where many other countries work to live.

Please don't ask me where I'm going. I would prefer it maintain its current ratio of expats from various countries when we move there. Just know that when you know what hits the fan in the U.S. and the rest of the world, I'll be smiling, glad of the choice I made to get while the getting is good.

Raees wrote: BMH, all I can tell you is I have researched it, tens of thousands have gone before me, and Americans who can support themselves financially are welcomed.

Where I'm going to retire is not a "better" place, it's "another" place and one that I think will serve well as a base to weather any coming economic or other catastrophe. There's a whole world out there. Why spend your entire life in the same place? It's like living in one state your entire life. I'm thankful to have been born in the United States and have the opportunity to move about the world and live elsewhere, if I chose.

Because I chose to live that last part of my life somewhere doesn't mean I like it better than the United States. It only means it has certain things I want in my later life that I cannot have or afford here in the U.S. I also can't just quit my job and start retirement early, although I really wish that were financially possible.

And if I had lived there, as a citizen, I would have already been retired. As you know, the U.S. probably has the highest retirement age in the world. We also work more hours and get less vacation. Here, we live to work where many other countries work to live.

Please don't ask me where I'm going. I would prefer it maintain its current ratio of expats from various countries when we move there. Just know that when you know what hits the fan in the U.S. and the rest of the world, I'll be smiling, glad of the choice I made to get while the getting is good.

Texas? I hear it is the same as another country.

Costa Rica? Just kidding. Latin America is popular for American expats even with a high murder rate.

jmc wrote:

Lucky Luckhurst wrote:

jmc wrote: I always thought it meant a country of immigrants that did not buy into aristocracy or birthright.
What does this term mean for you?

You know...I only ask questions that I want the answer too, I don't ask questions just to ask questions. Who could possibly care what American exceptionalism means to people at 285Bound!?

Who!?

Seriously now..

and PS- I did'nt read the thread, im not going to read the thread, and I can't imagine what goes through the mind of someone who would.

This comes from the blockhead that posted " What did you get for fathers day" I feel the same about your even dumber question.

Firstly, I never said it was a dumb question. I said its a dumb question to ask here, because who in thier right mind cares what OtisPdumbwater, Fred Hayek, or Republicans Work thinks about American Exceptionalism? AND

I guinenly wanted to know what other fathers got on fathers day..And the answers I got made me feel a lot better ..

Raees wrote:
Please don't ask me where I'm going. I would prefer it maintain its current ratio of expats from various countries when we move there. Just know that when you know what hits the fan in the U.S. and the rest of the world, I'll be smiling, glad of the choice I made to get while the getting is good.

Yeah because if you told someone here they might follow you there and upset the balance there- lol

And you'll "be smiling" because you'll in heaven and we'll all be in hell?.Sounds like a dumb prepper fantasy..

NOTE TO SELF: Reas is an idiot, ignore him/her

Lucky Luckhurst wrote: NOTE TO SELF: Reas is an idiot, ignore him/her

NOTE TO Lucky Luckhurst: Please follow through on note to self.