Raees wrote: I'm going to concede fighting the powerful NRA is a lost cause.
No... you're trying to fight the Constitution.
You and I both know the framers of the constitution wrote the 2nd Amendment when we had musket loaders. They never envisioned automatic weapons with 100-round magazines. They also never envisioned people would try to usurp their wish for a "well armed militia" and turn it into thousands of private gun owners who aren't members of a militia.
Actually back in those days, private citizens like Daniel Boone were allowed to own artillery, so it looks like we did lose some gun rights. I would imagine a couple rounds of grapeshot would be much more devastating than a jammed semi-auto rifle.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
A militia is always subject to federal, state, or local government control. A "private" militia or army not under government control could be considered illegal and in rebellion, and as a result subject to harsh punishment. (See Macnutt, Karen L., Militias, Women and Guns Magazine, March, 1995.)
Raees wrote: You and I both know the framers of the constitution wrote the 2nd Amendment when we had musket loaders. They never envisioned automatic weapons with 100-round magazines. They also never envisioned people would try to usurp their wish for a "well armed militia" and turn it into thousands of private gun owners who aren't members of a militia.
You and I both know that the framers never envisioned a lot of our modern conveniences when they penned the Constitution. Would you care to expand your argument to everything the Constitution covers (such as the 1st and 4th Amendment perhaps) in order to give your latest lame argument some teeth? I didn't think so.
What the founders intended to create was a prohibition against disarming the governed by their government. They actually didn't know how well their little experiment would turn out and they wanted to be sure that the government that they were creating would never have the ability to deprive those living under it the chance to alter or abolish their government in the same manner as they had done.
One of the founders, Thomas Jefferson, actually wrote a famous letter in which he proclaimed his hope that the union would never be 20 years without an armed rebellion when he was corresponding with his good friend James Madison about Shay's Rebellion. The one thing that he felt would preclude the chance of our republic regressing into some sort of plenary empowered central government would be to warn it from time to time that the spirit of resistance was alive and well within the governed.
Don't give me this malarkey about the founders never envisioning the people who were armed with the most common form of individual arms then existing on the battlefields of the world would never use them for that purpose against either a foreign enemy or a domestic one. The States when ratifying the Constitution insisted on having something that would preclude the federal government from ever taking away the ability of their citizens to wage war with the arms they had in their homes and under their direct control. The federal government expected every man called forth into the service of the union to show up with a weapon that could be used effectively to fight a war. They actually wrote a law which directed them to do so. The federal government didn't expect to have to provide the weapon that the citizen soldier was to use in prosecuting a war - that was something the citizens of the States were expected to provide themselves.
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Get out of the echo chamber Raees - regurgitating what you hear inside of it isn't good for anyone, especially you.
“This person, if there were no assault weapons available, if there were no this or no that, this guy’s going to find something, right? He’s going to know how to create a bomb. Who knows where his mind would have gone. Clearly a very intelligent individual however twisted,” he said during an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
“If it was not one weapon, it would have been another, and he was diabolical,” he said.
I would imagine a couple rounds of grapeshot would be much more devastating than a jammed semi-auto rifle.
