Poll: 74% support voter ID laws

Something the Dog Said wrote: A more truthful headline would that 74% of Americans want to deny the right to 11% of Americans to vote.

You mean the 11% that was against this idea don't have ID's? You mean you're assuming that this 11% wouldn't be able to vote if there were all inclusive voter ID laws? How do you know this?

Something the Dog Said wrote: A more truthful headline would that 74% of Americans want to deny the right to 11% of Americans to vote.

Please! You really think one in ten of us doesn't have photo ID? Talk about delusional.

plaidvillain wrote: No, it doesn't, but it does a great job of demonstrating the tyranny of the majority. It is not up to the majority to restrict anyone's rights. Registration is sufficient. Voter ID is a clear effort to silence American votes. Your support of such an un-American effort is not surprising ...fascists will do whatever they can to seize power.

plaidvillain wrote: Fred, you ever move and not get a new ID right away? Then you wouldn't be able to vote. Once, the DMV misspelled the street I lived on...this would've prevented me from voting under the laws you support...sorry, the infringements of rights you support. "Valid" ID involves far more than you may be aware of.

If you support this because you're aware how it will disproportionately affect minors, then you are a racist. If you are unaware how it will disproportionately affect minors, then you're stupid or in denial - its been well publicized.

So which are you, Fred....a racist, stupid, or in denial?

The Supreme Court has already ruled on this PV - they say that it isn't an infringement on anyone's right to vote to require that a photo-id be presented at the ballot. Are you ignorant of the decision or a simply incapable of understanding it?

Additionally, all of the photo id laws provide for the casting of a provisional ballot on election day in the absence of the required identification. If, as you allege, the misspelling of the street name would have necessitated the casting of a provisional ballot (instead of preventing you from voting at all as you deceitfully allege), you would have a set period of time after election day to clear the matter up and submit to the proper authority the proof that your ballot should be included along with all the others. It is, after all, not the fault of the election judge that you didn't examine your id after receiving it to make sure it was correct and have any errors addressed at that time, is it?

One must presume you meant minorities and not minors as minors aren't allowed to vote, only those who have reached their majority have the right to vote. It is no more difficult for a person of color to obtain the identification than it is for a white person in similar circumstances to do so. Once again, the empty cry of racist rings hollow. At some point you'd have to figure that those whose first reaction is to resort to it would realize that their overuse of it has rendered it all but meaningless by now. Maybe they will progress beyond it at some point, but I have my doubts.

Tell me PV, would you be willing to allow the sale of a firearm to anyone who submitted a registration to the State without demonstrating that they were the person who had registered? It is an individual right, after all, to keep and bear arms, is it not? Would you feel comfortable and secure knowing that it was possible for someone to take a utility bill from my mailbox and present it at the gun store or the gun show as sufficient proof that they were me and eligible to purchase a gun or to walk into the store and say that they were me without requiring any additional proof be offered? You may feel that registration alone is sufficient with regards to voting, but there are many others, including 9 justices of the Supreme Court, who don't share that feeling with you. It is their feeling that the requirement isn't an infringement on the right to vote anymore than it is an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

Are you ignorant, stupid or in denial? Two of the three can be addressed with education - the other one can't be fixed.

PS,
Good point about weapon sales. Put it on goverment to prove I can't legally buy a gun. ID, we don't need no stinking ID. Good enough for Fast & Furious to give away guns to Mexicans without photo ID, right?

Given the lethality of the modern firearm Fred, I would agree that providing proof that one qualifies under the law to own one is a reasonable restriction placed on the right. Not every citizen is eligible to exercise that right after all, some of them are excluded. Interesting to note that convicted felons are on the list of exclusion for both the right to keep and bear arms and the right to vote, but that those with a history of mental illness are only precluded from purchasing firearms. I think it says something interesting about our society that this is the case, don't you?

Currently to buy prescription meds I need to have a photo ID. This rule needs to be repealed, it is a denial of my Hippa privacy protection.

Prescription meds, heck, you need a photo ID to buy some of the over the counter ones.

Buying prescription meds is a privilege...not a right.
Buying guns may be subject to legislation to keep them out of the hands of convicted felons, spousal abuse cases, etc....Therefore, it is a privilege, not a right. (Or at the very least a right, subject to limitations.)

Voting is a RIGHT...Not a privilege. Conspiring to deprive people of that right is criminal.

And certain parties can take their "Revisionist History of the Sovereign Citizens of the Plutocracy of the Founding Fathers" playbook and shove it.

Once again conservatives spout off without the facts. Research on the actual facts show that the 11% of Americans of voting age do not have government issued photo ids. And this fraud that the conservatives are hysterical about. About one in 15 million votes. And this whole photo id nonsense only applies to in person voting. What about mail in ballots, drop off ballots, absentee ballots? Are you willing to deny military serving overseas the right to vote?

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/d ... _39242.pdf

A recent national survey sponsored by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law reveals that millions of American citizens do not have readily available documentary proof of citizenship. Many more – primarily women – do not have proof of citizenship with their current name. The survey also showed that millions of American citizens do not have government-issued photo identification, such as a driver’s license or passport. Finally, the survey demonstrated that certain groups – primarily poor, elderly, and minority citizens – are less likely to possess these forms of documentation than the general population.

What Printsmith and Fred fail to tell you is that the Supreme Court held that since the Indiana law allowed you to vote without a photo id by affirming that you were the person you said you were, it was upheld.