COLORADO ALERT: 2013 Anti-Gun Bills at the State Capitol

We can expect 14 to 20 anti-gun bills. The current Democrat package includes:
A ban on an undetermined number of semi-automatic firearms (No grandfather clause)
A ban on magazines of over ten rounds (No grandfather clause).
Making an individual with a violent misdemeanor a “prohibited person” re: gun ownership.
A ban on private sales by requiring universal background checks.
A waiting period on background checks that will kill gun shows.
Rollback of concealed carry on college campuses.
More strict enforcement of gun confiscation related to restraining orders
Wider use of mental health treatment information for gun control purposes
Published reports indicate that rabid, anti-gun, millionaire, New York City Mayor Bloomberg is sending a well funded team to Colorado to push gun control.


Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/colorad ... z2HXeqWVkW

And none of the proposed would have changed Newtown or Aurora.

FredHayek wrote: And none of the proposed would have changed Newtown or Aurora.

Reason enough to do nothing?

And if you don't grandfather the magazines you have created hundreds of thousands and possibly a million felons in the state. Seems pretty draconian when the firearm homicide rate continues to fall. The prison building bond faeries will love it however. How about just background checks on all firearm sales? That might have slowed Klebold and Harris. And taking guns away after restraining orders. In exchange if you have a concealed carry permit you don't. Need to pass a background check for every gun purchase.

I doubt many of these will pass.

archer wrote: Reason enough to do nothing?

I don't personally think anyone straight up said, "do nothing", but I could be wrong. But let's just keep cranium external to colon and think this one out logically shall we? (By the way, if its sounds like I'm pissed.... I'm getting there. TBA when I am.)Quick disclaimer, I'm not in/with the f@%king NRA, I'm not a god damned 'teabagger' whatever the hell that is, and if you're are partisan douche bag, get over yourself and keep reading, you MIGHT just learn something.

We can expect 14 to 20 anti-gun bills. The current Democrat package includes:
A ban on an undetermined number of semi-automatic firearms (No grandfather clause)

Do you actually know how many different varieties of 'semi-automatic' firearms exist, and that the mere implications of such laws could mean that the most upstanding of citizens becomes a criminal by mere ownership of something they once thought could protect them?

A ban on magazines of over ten rounds (No grandfather clause).

Oh cool, do you realize how many companies and employees something like this could effect? Oh sure, they have the military and LE, but while those companies are still allowed to sell to the civilian market it keeps people employed. Tell me again how your somekind of expert that more than ten rounds of ammunition are required to end a life and I'll explain how piss poor aiming, and bad shot placement are counter productive to some objectives. "Why do civilians need over 10 rounds?" Let's see, off the top of my head, high risk security operators, (aka private military contractors) come to mind. This one I know quite a bit about actually.... they are not 'issued' a firearm by an agency or the "principle" (look up the term citing security and high risk and you'll see what I mean.), they must be intimately aware of their choice of 'tools' as it were. Banning the elements required to do their job puts them as well as the principle at great risk. They are after all, 'civilian' contractors.

Making an individual with a violent misdemeanor a “prohibited person” re: gun ownership.

Define for me if you will, "violent misedemeanor". I'd readily admit I qualified for such a label and all while protecting my wife and parent's home from her psychotic ex. (All charges where dropped on me and actions justified by a court, but a bullshit charge none the less.)

A ban on private sales by requiring universal background checks.

Tell me again how you think criminals are going to abide by this sort of ruling, and further more, how I should just because someone said so.... what goes on behind closed doors is either no one else's business, or no one elses worry right?

A waiting period on background checks that will kill gun shows.

Oh, that's right, somehow gun shows are to blame, there a damn gun out there every few seconds killing someone... nevermind the asshole pulling the trigger, arrest the gun!!!!! Please, its well known that democrats for whatever reason hate capitolism, but this is just getting silly now. (by the way, I'm not a Republican, so save your counterpoint bullshit which may/may not sound heroic to your party.

Rollback of concealed carry on college campuses.

"Ok students, you have a right to feel protected.... SIKE!!!!! No you don't!!!" WTF? Seriously? "Indian giver" seems a suitable term here. I can think of several college girls who might have serious concerns over this... oh are they gun-nuts too? Maybe they shouldn't be so cute, maybe wear a god damned burka or something so they don't lead their would-be attackers on...... wow.

More strict enforcement of gun confiscation related to restraining orders

Did you know a restraining order can be granted EVEN IF THE "OFFENDER" IS DEEMED NOT A THREAT?!?!?! Now tell me how I'd know this... oh that's right the wife's psychotic ex, yeah.... when he almost forfeit his life in my parents driveway that day and decided to file, he was granted one but even the judge agreed it was more for MY protection than his, because if HE violated the protection order, I'd be justified in my actions.

Wider use of mental health treatment information for gun control purposes

Granted I don't want crazy asses to have a gun, but I can think of a million unregulated (and impossible to regulate) ways to obtain one, so until we get some sort of pre-cognisant police force to locate would-be anus faced assassins, I think I'll keep vigilant about my firearms ensuring that no one touches them unless I want to, and I carry the ability to stop a nut case with a well placed shot. How's that sound?

I'm not directly attacking you archer, I'm more/less attacking the situation at hand and all those that somehow think that banning firearms will do more good than harm. To say that people want to do 'nothing' is a bullshit statement. Yes, there can be improvements on background checks to ensure the mentally ill do not have a chance pursuing that route of obtaining a firearm, but to think that banning the rest of the country from having the things that are already in use is completely impractical and illogical. Given the amount of firearms in the civilian sector alone, and factoring in the nonsense of the anti-gunners, you'd expect to see FAR more crimes than actually exist on any documented report. Its suggestive that because I own guns, I've committed crimes with them which couldn't be farther from the truth. Again, I'd ask everyone to keep their craniums external to their colons and seriously think this one through.

Badger

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote: And none of the proposed would have changed Newtown or Aurora.

Reason enough to do nothing?

Correct, not yet, if in fact we have not proposed a solution that is likely to produce the desired effect an action would be illogical Jim,

or

Perhaps better put, of course not, we should do something, do the obvious, keep looking for the right solution.

or

Do you feel that the list of proposed solutions would have an effect and why, can you explain the cause and effect chain that you assume will produce the desired results in any reasonable quantity....

chickaree wrote: I doubt many of these will pass.

I am fricken tired of the excuse that because solution "A" won't solve all the problems, then it should not be done. That is the same sorry excuse we have gotten for not letting tax rates rise on the wealthy (gee....it won't solve the deficit, or the budget, or the debt.....therefore we shouldn't do it) Well that tired old excuse just won't cut it anymore....the people are sick of being told, sorry.....we don't plan to do anything because no solution is perfect. I don't pretend to be an expert on this......If I was I would sure as hell be making a lot of money. I do own a gun, 2 actually, and I have been trained to use it....and I have yet to see any suggestion that leads me to believe that I will lose that right. Sure there are some fringe elements that would like to see every gun disappear, but a reasonably intelligent person knows that isn't going to happen. I am in favor of common sense regulations, I am in favor of limits on they type of guns available to the general public, and extremely strict background checks every time a gun is sold. I will let those who understand the ramifications of all this make their recommendations and justifications and judge those ideas as they come in. For me, nothing is off the table....look at everything and anything, then filter out those actions that cannot pass the "constitution" test. Of course....it is the Supreme Court that will determine what passes and what doesn't....not you or I.

The time for doing nothing has passed.....and because the NRA has been so vocal, and unwilling to even entertain some common sense solutions in the past, I suspect they are about to get some very onerous regulations and possibly bans shoved down their very vocal throats. Beware the law of unintended consequences......the NRA has pushed too far, and now the people will push back.

So Archer freely admits she is willing to pass expensive do nothing laws that will make felons out of many of her neighbors. You truly are a Democrat
Quick Tip: Just because you can pass a law doesn't mean it will fix anything. And another point semi-autos aren't something just invented. I own a semiautomatic pistol that was invented in 1896. Archer that was before you were born....I hope Chick is right. One of the more successful businesses in Boulder is Magpul. They make magazines and accessories for semiautomatic rifles. Archer wants to put them all out of work.