COLORADO ALERT: 2013 Anti-Gun Bills at the State Capitol

Grady wrote:

chickaree wrote: So who assesses who needs help? We are medicating our kids with drugs that we know alters their mental state, but supply no mental health support. Unless you have an excellent health insurance policy access to proper psychiatric care is cost prohibitive and there is no mechanism to force an unwilling mentally I'll person to accept any care. As far as violent video games go, those are available across the globe, where this seems to be a uniquely American problem. Violent people will seek out violent games, but I don't believe a violent game will male a peaceful person violent.

As I said we have a serious mental health care problem. Drugging our kids doesn't seem to be working. Are you saying if a person is deemed to be a threat to themselves or others there is no mechanism to protect themselves or society? If there isn't there should be.

I agree video games along are not going to make a person violent. I forget the actual stats, but it was something like by the time a kid graduates from high school they will have witnessed tens of thousands of shootings on TV and in the movies, not to mention the plethora of vile disgusting song lyrics.
"who assesses who needs help?" it has to start with family, friends, neighbors, society, but it has to end up in the hands of competent mental health professionals.

We know a family with an adult schizophrenic son. He doesn't take his meds and they believe he is a danger to himself and others but can get no real help. He is currently homeless and they don't know for sure if he is dead or alive. There are desperate parents and spouses all over the country that can't get the kind of help needed. This is what needs to be addressed. This and the way our media makes a folk anti-hero out of mass killers.

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I'm sorry, but I can't watch videos on my abysmal Internet connection. If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate . You will see that our homicide rates are far higher than other first world countries.

chickaree wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't watch videos on my abysmal Internet connection. If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate . You will see that our homicide rates are far higher than other first world countries.

So is our traffic death rate. And the suicide rate is higher in Japan.

Is it just part of being an American. There are 300 million guns out there and when you consider the chance of dying by a gun, it is way low down on the list.

chickaree wrote: We know a family with an adult schizophrenic son. He doesn't take his meds and they believe he is a danger to himself and others but can get no real help. He is currently homeless and they don't know for sure if he is dead or alive. There are desperate parents and spouses all over the country that can't get the kind of help needed. This is what needs to be addressed. This and the way our media makes a folk anti-hero out of mass killers.

You won't find an argument here.
I have a very good friend who's adult son committed suicide. She knew he had problems and tried to get him help, but he was an adult and she couldn't have him committed. He had the meds but as often is the case he didn't take them. He eventually found an unsecured handgun at a relative's house, a relative who should have known better,and took his own life.

chickaree wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: How many more times must I "express thoughts of my own" before they are acknowledged? I've already stated it pretty clearly at least 6 times... Will 7 be the magic number?

Yes, thank you. You have. I'm addressing those who seem to be arguing for no regulation at all. Is that indeed what they are advocating? All I hear are a chorus of "No"s without any justification or ideas of their own. Should every single person be able to buy whatever military style weapon they desire? I'd like to remind everyone of the second amendment (which I wholeheartedly support) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Regulation is right there, in the first clause. What does that mean?

Guess what every single person who wants to can buy whatever military style weapon they want on the street. Remember prohibition and how well that worked?

It is pretty easy for any machine shop to make a cheap fully auto submachine gun. The STEN's the Brits used in WWII were cranked out of small machine shops and the Soviets were making them in Leningrad only blocks away from the front lines.

About 10 years ago the Hell's Angels got caught making STEN's.