Ballot Proposal To Overturn Magazine Limits?

Polls are meaningless....read Nate Silvers offering for insight......THE Ballot Initiative is real.....the votes count .....we will have initiatives and possibly recalls.....and NOV 2014 will be D-Day for CO liberals......Bring IT. The DEMS want this forgotten soon so it does not impact elections 2014......this will never be forgotten....heads will roll and this issue may hand the CO legislature to the Republicans. This is not political.......a constitutional fight.

TABOR may well kill the implementation of all this silliness......taxpayers must approve tax increases clearly linked to these efforts.....and the courts will be employed as well.

Most are not enforcable on top of all the wet dream hopes, especially magazine limits and background checks....the police will not be going door-to-door confirming compliance......these two laws will only be visible in conjunction with traffic stops and suspected crimes (too late by then). Liberal wet dream idiocy. Looks a lot like Alcohol Prohibition.......failed......failed......failed and spawned massive violence nationwide.

Because the MAJORITY won the election... Funny thing about Denver Post polls...When they address an issue that Dog has already shown CANNOT BE CHANGED by a petition/referendum, they don't mean squat. So, all of the gun-nuts rush over to the website and vote against it... :Snooze

Oh, and the obligatory: LMAO

By the way, how'd those Rasmussen, Breitbart, DailyCaller and FauxNews polls work out for ya back in November?... LMAO

The Founders (Jefferson in particular) were careful to craft our Constitution to prevent the "majority" from inprisoning in any way the minority opinion......which is fluid on both sides in most issues. Thus CO also has provided relief via Ballot Initiative, courts, elections/accountability, and benign compliance. AGAIN not political.......constitutional both Federal and states.

The citizens have clear. long memories when liberty and freedom is in play......it matters little which gaggle of pols is in power......individuals will be held accountable NOV 2014......EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL VOTE IS TO BE DISCUSSED.

A SEAL proverb......"NEVER rush to your death " Steady on and the plan (THE CONSTITUTION) will prevail. ALL laws can be turned on a dime in a crisis...... DEMS seem to have not received the memo.

The only thing they (Democrats) know is Rahms law,"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

frogger wrote: What i don't understand.....why legislators run against what voters actually want. seems to me....that is job suicide.
Voter said no to civil unions in a collective vote yet here we are going down this road again. The Denver Post Poll clearly shows that the feelings of the voters have not changed much. 60% say no.
CCW on college compasses is a resounding difference from what the legislators are doing.
Gun magazines are at 80% against the legislature.
I guess we only have to put up with this for a couple of years. LMAO

The Denver Post actual poll (as opposed to their bogus online poll in their blog) shows that the citziens of Colorado want civil unions, universal background checks, limits on ammunition magazines.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... -september

These results are replicated by a number of other polls that cite similar results:

http://kdvr.com/2013/01/22/poll-55-perc ... -gun-laws/

These common sense legislation not only are supported by a majority of the voters, but are clearly constitutional as well under the 2nd Amendment. (the magazine limits may be unconstitutional for other reasons but not under the 2nd Amendment.)

So Dog, do you think the legislature should be allowed to deny votes of people? There have been numerous times in Colorado history where the legislature wouldn't let issues be voted on and the people had to add it to the ballot. Recreational marijuana is a good example. Overturned current state law.

That poll was using 25% republicans and 39% democrats...not exactly an unbiased poll.

Dog, if you are right, than you should have no issue with a referendum.

I believe these limits are contrary to the 2nd amendment....but we shall see. Too bad for us though...once Hick signs the bill, suddenly a ton of law abiding citizens will become criminals.

FredHayek wrote: So Dog, do you think the legislature should be allowed to deny votes of people? There have been numerous times in Colorado history where the legislature wouldn't let issues be voted on and the people had to add it to the ballot. Recreational marijuana is a good example. Overturned current state law.

I am unaware of any instance where the legislature denies the votes of the people. The people in their wisdom in writing and ratifying the Constitution of this good state decided that certain types of referendums to not be allowed, but that is in keeping of having a republic form of government rather than a direct democracy. Certainly if the people of Colorado do not support their Constitution, they can vote to amend it into a form that they would support.

In regard to the legislature not allowing issues to be voted upon, the people can initiate legislative acts that require the legislature to bring it to a vote.

A citizen initiated proposal is not a referendum on a piece of legislation passed by the General Assembly. It is not in any substantive manner different from a bill initiated by a member of the legislature. Certainly you would agree that the next legislature can pass a new bill which overturns HB 13-1224, wouldn't you? That is essentially what is being done, only it is the citizens themselves who are introducing the new legislation instead of a member of the legislature. When the proposal is for an amendment to the Constitution, as the proposal being discussed is, any addition to the Constitution of the State can, and will, nullify any and all laws which run contrary to the amendment if it is adopted.

I fail to see why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp Dog. The current General Assembly can't bind future General Assemblies with their actions, nor can it prevent the citizens from legislating laws and enacting amendments to the constitution of the State via the process contained in the Colorado Constitution.

PrintSmith wrote: A citizen initiated proposal is not a referendum on a piece of legislation passed by the General Assembly. It is not in any substantive manner different from a bill initiated by a member of the legislature. Certainly you would agree that the next legislature can pass a new bill which overturns HB 13-1224, wouldn't you? That is essentially what is being done, only it is the citizens themselves who are introducing the new legislation instead of a member of the legislature. When the proposal is for an amendment to the Constitution, as the proposal being discussed is, any addition to the Constitution of the State can, and will, nullify any and all laws which run contrary to the amendment if it is adopted.

I fail to see why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp Dog. The current General Assembly can't bind future General Assemblies with their actions, nor can it prevent the citizens from legislating laws and enacting amendments to the constitution of the State via the process contained in the Colorado Constitution.

You keep failing to detail the important fact is that the ballot proposal that is being offered, you know the one that is the subject of this thread, the one that is under discussion here, is not an initiaitive, but is a referendum. In fact, the very wording of it, "ballot proposal" for overturning the legislation that is about to become law in Colorado, is that it is a referendum. Do you have even one scintilla of factual evidence that it is an initiative rather than a referendum. Did not think so. Instead, as reported by the Denver Post, the ballot proposal is for the VOTERS to decide the issue, not the legislature. So do you understand the difference between a referendum (which is what is being proposed here) and an initiative (which is not what is being proposed here).

These are not difficult concepts to grasp, so try really hard.

Two Littleton men have filed a proposed ballot measure that seeks to undo proposed legislation that would limit ammunition magazines of more than 15 rounds.
The measure was filed Tuesday, one day after the Democratic-controlled Senate passed a bill limiting magazine rounds.
Tim LeVier and J.T. Davis want voters to decide the issue in the 2014 election.


Read more: Colorado ballot proposal aimed at undoing ammunition magazine limits - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... z2Neld0mQf