more from police state America

deltamrey wrote: Bob....I read this in its entirity.....this approach is precisely how the Soviets set up their poloice state....exactly. Informers (who in this case will not be revealed because they have liability - typical) turn in someone they do not "like"......police and welfare show and arrest citizen with no evidence of anything......many times the criminal is placed in a mental institution or attitude adjustment gulag if the phony charges are very minor. Otherwise if the citizen actually had a gun he/she simply disappeared forever. We are not there yet......but it starts like this NJ act.

THE question....why did not ONE cop or clerk refuse to participate....? Hummmmmm....just following orders !!! Where have we heard this before......

NY Governor Cumo is trying to set up this very thing

http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/021820 ... initiative

More on the growing police state.....

US plan calls for more scanning of private Web traffic, email

Under last month's White House executive order on cybersecurity, the scans will be driven by classified information provided by U.S. intelligence agencies — including data from the National Security Agency (NSA) — on new or especially serious espionage threats and other hacking attempts. U.S. spy chiefs said on March 12 that cyber attacks have supplanted terrorism as the top threat to the country.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/techn ... -1C9001922

shakes head

And text's too.

Will he federal agents need to take classes in how to read teen text's?

archer wrote:

jf1acai wrote:

But why did the parents think it was a good idea to put a picture of their kid with the gun on social media that apparently was available to the public, or at least friends of friends.

To me the real question is why do some think there is something wrong with it? The kid has been/is being supervised/trained to use it, and is rightfully proud and excited to have it. He sure can't take it to school for 'Show and Tell', so why shouldn't it be shown off on Facebook?

Maybe it's just me, but i wouldn't put a picture of my kid even without a gun on Facebook unless the privacy settings are set to friends only. Perhaps one of their friends set the authorities on them,

As long as we are being high and mighty Archer....if I had kids, I would never even mention that I had them on line in some random public forum where I constantly piss people off. I am not threatening you at all, just saying that even mentioning your children gives us, a bunch of people you don't know, a view into your home. I have been able to ID and find the address of just about anyone on this board I put 5 minutes into some internet searching...and that does not even include paying one of the many firms that will get me that info in a moment for some $. Then after that, you would literally trust the privacy settings, of all places Facebook, as an actually barrier to keeping strangers away from your kids? Since you brought it up, I suggest you search how flightly the privacy settings are on the internet in general before you use them to protect your children. I would be critical of any parent that shows off their children or even their existence in a public place, especially a place like this, where your id is not really private.

on that note wrote:
As long as we are being high and mighty Archer....if I had kids, I would never even mention that I had them on line in some random public forum where I constantly piss people off. I am not threatening you at all, just saying that even mentioning your children gives us, a bunch of people you don't know, a view into your home. I have been able to ID and find the address of just about anyone on this board I put 5 minutes into some internet searching...and that does not even include paying one of the many firms that will get me that info in a moment for some $. Then after that, you would literally trust the privacy settings, of all places Facebook, as an actually barrier to keeping strangers away from your kids? Since you brought it up, I suggest you search how flightly the privacy settings are on the internet in general before you use them to protect your children. I would be critical of any parent that shows off their children or even their existence in a public place, especially a place like this, where your id is not really private.

That wasn't a threat? I'm sure the other posters here are pleased to know that you have been able to ID and find the addresses of just about anyone on this board? The bigger question is why did you bother to find out who the posters here are and where they live? You're a nasty piece of work OTN, but not unexpectedly so.

on that note wrote:

archer wrote:

jf1acai wrote:

But why did the parents think it was a good idea to put a picture of their kid with the gun on social media that apparently was available to the public, or at least friends of friends.

To me the real question is why do some think there is something wrong with it? The kid has been/is being supervised/trained to use it, and is rightfully proud and excited to have it. He sure can't take it to school for 'Show and Tell', so why shouldn't it be shown off on Facebook?

Maybe it's just me, but i wouldn't put a picture of my kid even without a gun on Facebook unless the privacy settings are set to friends only. Perhaps one of their friends set the authorities on them,

As long as we are being high and mighty Archer....if I had kids, I would never even mention that I had them on line in some random public forum where I constantly piss people off. I am not threatening you at all, just saying that even mentioning your children gives us, a bunch of people you don't know, a view into your home. I have been able to ID and find the address of just about anyone on this board I put 5 minutes into some internet searching...and that does not even include paying one of the many firms that will get me that info in a moment for some $. Then after that, you would literally trust the privacy settings, of all places Facebook, as an actually barrier to keeping strangers away from your kids? Since you brought it up, I suggest you search how flightly the privacy settings are on the internet in general before you use them to protect your children. I would be critical of any parent that shows off their children or even their existence in a public place, especially a place like this, where your id is not really private.

Wow. If what you are saying is true, you are stalking all those people you looked up. You need to draw some behavioral boundaries for yourself.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/22/san-f ... htclubs-to


"Officer Chan, the permitting officer for SFPD, called to remind us that we're required to have video surveillance that records everything our customers do, and to give that footage to SFPD any time they ask, without a warrant or explanation. "Actually, that's not the case, I'm not required to do that," says Barry. "It's a part of the Good Neighbor Policy," says the cop. "No, actually, it's not. And it's also not a condition of our permits."..................

archer wrote:

otisptoadwater wrote: When do the collective "we" rediscover that we are individually responsible for our own lives and successes and failures? Stop being the victim and start being responsible for yourself. It's my opinion (and I have been told on multiple occasions that I'm welcome to it) that each individual citizen is responsible for themselves wile also being entitled to the rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution. I take exception to those who want to alter our Constitution and the Bill of Rights to restrict the rights of our Citizens.

Somehow the majority of our citizens currently seem to prefer that the Gubment is in complete control of our lives and the collective "we" wants it that way. Let's face it, we can't be trusted to take care of ourselves, we need mega-hughe-gubment to tell each and every one of us what to do because none of use are smart enough to know what is best for ourselves.

"We" is this country....somehow I get the feeling that you don't like it very much, but want to re-create it into your ideal image. This is a Republic, "we" believe in the founding fathers wisdom that allows the voters to shape this country with their votes.....I'm sorry you are so disappointed in the way the USA turned out, not sure what your options are. There is no place else on earth I would rather be....nor any country that is better than what we have, right now, right here. Even through the Bush years, when I disagreed with most everything he did and accomplished....I never thought that the Government should just "go away". A majority of American elected the man......just as a majority elected Obama....and I trust in this nation to persevere through different administrations.

Should we start having votes on whether we can put people in your group back into slavery. You are woman right? Perhaps we can focus on your sexual preferences (I bet I can find those or buy them) or even if you are able to have a child before we enslave you, perhaps only enslave those that cannot have kids. I bet we could market and get some form of slavery back by vote, it would start with one town, then a state and then it could become a national movement.

But instead of that or the BS you just wrote, why don't you explain to everyone the balance between the will of the people and liberties, which should not be subject to the will of the people. The liberties that our founding fathers focused on, in fact their main focus was to restrict the tyrannical potential of govt, what they saw as the biggest current threat and future risk. You don't even seem to recognize that risk or the risk of following the will of not the people but in most cases 51% of them (just a hair over half the people).

Please explain what should be a liberty and what should be subject to the will of one person over 50% if it is discussed. Could you also please define the words right, liberty, democracy and will of the people specifically. I think most of us are not using the words in our debates to have the same meaning and as I point out here, forget that the people's will is sick and distorted, we would have killed every muslim and gay person in this country if we followed the peoples' will over the last 20 years.

Please discuss where liberty stops and voting starts. No one seems to one to address this society defining issue. This is what makes us.