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18 Jun 2013 15:35 #161
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it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls, CNET reports.
Well Hell, that there makes it OK. Who would have guessed?
Well Hell, that there makes it OK. Who would have guessed?
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18 Jun 2013 15:40 #162
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Fighting the Secrecy/Surveillance State
Sunday, 16 June 2013
By Dennis J Bernstein, Consortium News
Sunday, 16 June 2013
By Dennis J Bernstein, Consortium News
The emergence of Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and now Edward Snowden represents just the tip of the iceberg of a popular resistance that is challenging the U.S. government’s excesses in secrecy and surveillance, a movement that Iceland MP Birgitta Jonsdottir discusses with Dennis J. Bernstein.
The U.S. government’s “war on terror” and its companion “surveillance state” have become troubling issues not only for the civil liberties of Americans but even more so for the rest of the world where popular movements are arising to challenge the electronic penetration of people’s information and violation of their privacy.
Iceland Member of Parliament Birgitta Jonsdottir of the Pirate Party was in Berkeley, California, recently to speak at a forum with Daniel Ellsberg on “Disappearing Civil Liberties in The United States.” Jonsdottir, who has worked closely with WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange, discussed the status of this emerging international struggle against government secrecy and surveillance in an interview with Dennis J Bernstein.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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18 Jun 2013 15:49 #163
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It is always Red/Blue with you, isn't it? Obama can be forgiven, becuase Bush did it first.
How about freedom and liberty versus statism and no one watching the Watchmen?
How about flyover country versus DC and the beltway boys?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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LadyJazzer wrote:
FredHayek wrote: Bradley Manning who outed many more agents is praised by you.
You got a source for that?
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...I didn't think so....
So you admit that the Bush administration outed Plame.... Now you want to argue over whether or not it's more illegal to out ONE agent or "many more" agents?
Amazing...
It is always Red/Blue with you, isn't it? Obama can be forgiven, becuase Bush did it first.
How about freedom and liberty versus statism and no one watching the Watchmen?
How about flyover country versus DC and the beltway boys?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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18 Jun 2013 16:14 #164
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Gee, and Bush said there were WMD's......
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LadyJazzer wrote: As has already been posted, the original NSA rules weren't "rules" because Bush had Alberto Gonzales visit Ashcroft in the hospital and try to get him to sign something that bypassed all those steenkin' 4th Amendment protections...
Right?
Agree. And Obama promised to stop this when he was running against McCain. Did he? Didn't it expand under AG Holder and him?
Gee, and Bush said there were WMD's......
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18 Jun 2013 16:15 #165
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"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
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Mmm, CNET has retracted that story and now admits that NSA CAN NOT listen in on any phone calls without a specific warrant.Mary Scott wrote: it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls, CNET reports.
Well Hell, that there makes it OK. Who would have guessed?
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
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18 Jun 2013 16:17 #166
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I'm still waiting for that source, Fred...
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LadyJazzer wrote:
FredHayek wrote: Bradley Manning who outed many more agents is praised by you.
You got a source for that?
:Snooze
...I didn't think so....
I'm still waiting for that source, Fred...
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18 Jun 2013 17:11 #167
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Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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Manning didn't pick and choose what he revealed he just put as much on the thumb drive as he could. It was Assange and others who decided what to release from what he stole.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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18 Jun 2013 17:20 #168
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"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
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So you really support allowing soldiers to disobey orders, steal classified information in order to aid the enemy without being court martialed. Wow!FredHayek wrote: Manning didn't pick and choose what he revealed he just put as much on the thumb drive as he could. It was Assange and others who decided what to release from what he stole.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
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18 Jun 2013 17:24 #169
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Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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Where did you get that from? I do think the Army and also military contractors do need to do a better job monitoring access to classified info. I do think Manning's crimes were much more damaging than Scooter Libby's.Something the Dog Said wrote:
So you really support allowing soldiers to disobey orders, steal classified information in order to aid the enemy without being court martialed. Wow!FredHayek wrote: Manning didn't pick and choose what he revealed he just put as much on the thumb drive as he could. It was Assange and others who decided what to release from what he stole.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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18 Jun 2013 18:31 #170
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I'm still waiting for that source, Fred...
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LadyJazzer wrote:
FredHayek wrote: Bradley Manning who outed many more agents is praised by you.
You got a source for that?
:Snooze
...I didn't think so....
I'm still waiting for that source, Fred...
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