This is what happens when you can't afford healthcare

23 Aug 2013 20:38 #11 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: Or maybe this is what happens when the man chooses to spend his money in other ways rather than adressing current health concerns.


Gee, Fred, maybe you can provide a SOURCE for the assumption that this man chose to spend his money on something other than his health care?...Why don't you enlighten us about the basis for that claim?

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23 Aug 2013 21:51 #12 by Wayne Harrison
This sounds a lot like a former Defense Secretary:

"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know."

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24 Aug 2013 07:36 #13 by PrintSmith

Conservative Voice wrote: And you, as a taxpayer, end up paying the bill anyway only this time it's inflated because it wouldn't have been near as much if it had been dealt with when the need first arose.

And this is what happens when you let agenda driven "progressives" provide their take on something, an absence of any facts.

The man's condition was dealt with immediately.

He underwent a two-week course of antibiotics but this had little effect and a series of doctors, including a lymphedema specialist, was unable to find a solution. The swelling continued to grow to such a size that he became unable to work. In early 2010 he underwent an eight-week course of treatment at University Medical Center in Las Vegas. They were unable to determine the cause of the swelling, writing up 20 different documentations in the process. He was given multiple courses of antibiotics and anti-viral medications which failed to resolve the condition.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Warren_Jr .

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24 Aug 2013 09:11 #14 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: Or maybe this is what happens when the man chooses to spend his money in other ways rather than adressing current health concerns.


Gee, Fred, I'm still waiting for you to provide a SOURCE for the assumption that this man chose to spend his money on something other than his health care?...Why don't you enlighten us about the basis for that claim?

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24 Aug 2013 09:38 #15 by Reverend Revelant

Conservative Voice wrote: And you, as a taxpayer, end up paying the bill anyway only this time it's inflated because it wouldn't have been near as much if it had been dealt with when the need first arose.


I'm still wondering how this statement above stands up to the facts that PrintSmith posted?

He fell ill in late 2008... He underwent a two-week course of antibiotics... In early 2010 he underwent an eight-week course of treatment at University Medical Center in Las Vegas... He was given multiple courses of antibiotics and anti-viral medications which failed to resolve the condition... At a further evaluation at the UCLA Medical Center in California...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Warren_Jr


It seems that he received a battery of medical procedures and examinations "when the need first arose."

But here's what happened after specialists agreed that he needed an operation and a number of experts offered their services.

The operation went ahead even though Gelman had not yet received authorization from Nevada Medicaid, as he felt that it was unfair to Warren to "endure a cancellation." Gelman was critical of Nevada Medicaid's stance, saying that it's "terrible that Nevada isn't handling this the right way. When there's no expertise in a state to handle something, it doesn't seem right that Nevada can't pay the hospital when the doctors work for free." He commented that he and the other surgeons had donated their expertise not only to help Warren but to show to other sufferers from scrotal elephantiasis that something could be done for them as well. He was optimistic about Warren's future


A public health program, Nevada Medicaid "wasn't handling this the right way." It seems like the article that Wayne linked to omitted a lot of the facts of the story in an effort to advance a political ideology.

I wonder what else we don't know?

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24 Aug 2013 19:33 - 25 Aug 2013 09:44 #16 by Wayne Harrison
Don't forget Fred, Walter. Or is it not convenient to criticize a fellow conservative?

FredHayek wrote: Or maybe this is what happens when the man chooses to spend his money in other ways rather than adressing current health concerns

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24 Aug 2013 19:35 #17 by LadyJazzer
Yeah, Fred, I'm still waiting for you to provide a SOURCE for the assumption that this man chose to spend his money on something other than his health care?...Why don't you enlighten us about the basis for that claim?

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24 Aug 2013 20:12 #18 by PrintSmith
First thing's first. Let's see a SOURCE for the claim that nothing was done for the man "when the need first arose" because he couldn't afford healthcare. Seems rather, shall we say, hypocritical for CV to demand a source from Fred while attempting to dodge providing one for his own blatantly absurd assertion, doesn't it?

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24 Aug 2013 22:02 #19 by Wayne Harrison
Well, my first source is the link I posted. My second source is the fact that he has a 100+ pound scrotum. I suppose you consider giving him a bunch of antibiotics that didn't work "treatment." I don't. And yes, I should have used the word "properly" as in "If this had been dealt with properly" it wouldn't cost so much now. It would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove them, so he just adapted. Now, they have to do something and guess who picks up the tab? That's what's really absurd to me.

And can you show my quote where I -- as you claim -- demanded a source from Fred?

PS, you might be a lot happier if you quit making personal insults every time you try to make a point with anybody. It really makes you look petty. It's a hard habit to break, but I have faith in you, buddy.

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24 Aug 2013 23:32 #20 by Reverend Revelant

Conservative Voice wrote: Well, my first source is the link I posted. My second source is the fact that he has a 100+ pound scrotum. I suppose you consider giving him a bunch of antibiotics that didn't work "treatment." I don't. And yes, I should have used the word "properly" as in "If this had been dealt with properly" it wouldn't cost so much now. It would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove them, so he just adapted. Now, they have to do something and guess who picks up the tab? That's what's really absurd to me.

And can you show my quote where I -- as you claim -- demanded a source from Fred?

PS, you might be a lot happier if you quit making personal insults every time you try to make a point with anybody. It really makes you look petty. It's a hard habit to break, but I have faith in you, buddy.


Interesting... you

1) Quote an article that has much of the actual detail of the case missing.
2) Using the article that is missing many of the facts you state " dealt with when the need first arose"
3) When you are shown that your quoted article was constructed to present one ideological point of view, sans all the facts...
4) You move the target.

Wayne... you've been a journalist for over 30 years... you know better.

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