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RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive. Final result, after the revolt, we will have single payer. Obamacare was never intended to actually work, it was a means to an end.

The current disaster is this. Destruction of jobs, destruction of hours. Hurting small business. Making incentives for a company to NOT hire more people. If a company has less than 50, they don't have to pay insurance, or get tax $$ to do so. At 51, they pay a fee, or are required to provide insurance (with no subsidy). Guess what small business can't afford to do.

And it is a disaster for young healthy people who will now have to buy on their own, or be fined by the govt.

Per MSN http://money.msn.com/now/post--how-obam ... ly-budgets
"As the health care exchanges open on Oct. 1 for enrollment, the plans' affordability may make or break the overhaul. If people lack health insurance on Jan. 1, the government will levy a $95-per-month fine, or $1,140 per year. That's still far less than the average cost of health insurance, which may prompt some consumers to gamble against coverage. "

RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Speak for yourself Rene..And let "all involved" speak for themselves... lol If "all involved" thought it was very bad, and very expensive, it wouldnt be happening.. The Iraq war was very bad and very expensive, the bank bailout was very bad and very expensive- And we didn't get anything from those desiasters, at least we the people are getting health care from this..

Oh the horror!


#ChickenLittles

archer wrote:

Obam me wrote:

archer wrote: Premium values came out today.....no doubling or tripling to be seen.

Hey Arch...give me a couple of days and I'll post some ACTUAL premiums of REAL Coloradans. I've not only seen them, I have spoken to the families who are absolutely scared to death about how they are going to afford these outrageous premiums. What I have did not come out of some stupid report from a stupid government news agency. I have the real thing. You'll be so proud to see what this POS legislation is doing to the peasants. All of you who voted for the current administration not only once, but twice, owe the rest of us an apology.

Colorado set up its own exchanges, but I doubt they vary much from the federal exchanges. They vary by state.. And, there is assistance for lower income enrollees. The federal plams are lower in cost than expected. Single anecdotal stories do not define the ACA.

I know I'm just wasting my time here with you Arch. But I'll give it one last try. I work with families who have been informed by their employers that their health insurance is going away or they are being cut back to part time work or their spouses employer will no longer provide family plans, etc. They live and work here in Colorado. These are REAL letters, real premiums, real financial and medical disasters happening to real Coloradans. I'm not getting my figures from some drive-by reporter or government "expert".

So, here you go. These are the facts. Take it or leave it. This is just one of many examples I have tucked away in my briefcase and as each day goes by, sadly, I collect even more. If this doesn't resonate with you, not as a democrat, but as an American then there's just isn't much more I can do.

Family of 4 (Mom, Dad, 2 pre teen daughters)
Residing in Lakewood CO

Major Medical BRONZE Monthly Cost - $1,055.32
Out of Pocket Cost - $6,250.00

Major Medical PLATINUM Monthly Cost - $2,924.09
Out of Pocket Cost - $2,000

(I will take a risk and assume you know the differences between the Bronze and Platinum Plan.)

Archer, this is what a hard working-class family of 4 in Lakewood are looking at as their new "Affordable Health Care" Plan. Why are they shopping insurance? Because the plan they had through his employer no longer covers his family. Just him. Happy now?

By the way, you talk about how low income folks will qualify for a subsidy. I'm sure you also know that if their employer offers them an insurance plan AND they decline their employer's plan thinking they can go to the Exchange and get a subsidy will find out they are dead wrong. Does that make you smile?

Either way the Government gets ya!

Like Rick posted a couple of days ago...it's just a matter of time until EVERYONE realizes just how bad this is for America and I should just set back and watch the writhing and squirming when it starts, because it has started. The evidence is right here in front of me.

Finally, Obamacare is not just about skyrocketing premiums and "bronze" level sh*tty medical care. Obamacare is so far reaching into our personal lives. Maybe you're ok with that, but I never will be.

*edited to correct # in family unit.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Obam me wrote:

archer wrote: Premium values came out today.....no doubling or tripling to be seen.

Hey Arch...give me a couple of days and I'll post some ACTUAL premiums of REAL Coloradans. I've not only seen them, I have spoken to the families who are absolutely scared to death about how they are going to afford these outrageous premiums. What I have did not come out of some stupid report from a stupid government news agency. I have the real thing. You'll be so proud to see what this POS legislation is doing to the peasants. All of you who voted for the current administration not only once, but twice, owe the rest of us an apology.

What an idiotic statement. The health care premiums under the exchanges provided in ObamaCares have been shown to be coming in at rates well less than expected. And if your alleged "families" have difficulty in affording them, then they no doubt will be eligible for tax credits which will make their health insurance even more affordable. But then you would not have an "outrage" to rant about then.

Just not happening.

Prove it Dog. Prove it. I posted my proof, now you man...er...dog up and do the same.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive. Final result, after the revolt, we will have single payer. Obamacare was never intended to actually work, it was a means to an end.

The current disaster is this. Destruction of jobs, destruction of hours. Hurting small business. Making incentives for a company to NOT hire more people. If a company has less than 50, they don't have to pay insurance, or get tax $$ to do so. At 51, they pay a fee, or are required to provide insurance (with no subsidy). Guess what small business can't afford to do.

And it is a disaster for young healthy people who will now have to buy on their own, or be fined by the govt.

Per MSN http://money.msn.com/now/post--how-obam ... ly-budgets
"As the health care exchanges open on Oct. 1 for enrollment, the plans' affordability may make or break the overhaul. If people lack health insurance on Jan. 1, the government will levy a $95-per-month fine, or $1,140 per year. That's still far less than the average cost of health insurance, which may prompt some consumers to gamble against coverage. "

Of course that is total BS. Why is it a disaster that 28 year olds have affordable health insurance? They are at risk for major medical expenses, whether it be an auto accident or an illness. Why should they not be paying their fair share? There are tax credits if they are at a low income, and they are excused if they have no or little income. Why is it a disaster that they act as responsible adults?

The fine for not having health insurance beginning Jan 1, 2014 is a $95 per YEAR penalty, not per month, and certainly not $1140 per year.

Let's get the facts straight.

Facts mean nothing to many of our conservative friends here......they have been fed the lies for several years by the GOP that they cant tell the difference between fact and fiction. Supposition and anecdotal stories from someone who knows someone are not facts.

archer wrote: Facts mean nothing to many of our conservative friends here......they have been fed the lies for several years by the GOP that they cant tell the difference between fact and fiction. Supposition and anecdotal stories from someone who knows someone are not facts.

Thats all they got Archer...Never mind the fact that Hawaii, Massachusetts and the rest of the civilised world is doing it...And the sky didn't fall

#Losers

RenegadeCJ wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive. Final result, after the revolt, we will have single payer. Obamacare was never intended to actually work, it was a means to an end.

The current disaster is this. Destruction of jobs, destruction of hours. Hurting small business. Making incentives for a company to NOT hire more people. If a company has less than 50, they don't have to pay insurance, or get tax $$ to do so. At 51, they pay a fee, or are required to provide insurance (with no subsidy). Guess what small business can't afford to do.

And it is a disaster for young healthy people who will now have to buy on their own, or be fined by the govt.

Per MSN http://money.msn.com/now/post--how-obam ... ly-budgets
"As the health care exchanges open on Oct. 1 for enrollment, the plans' affordability may make or break the overhaul. If people lack health insurance on Jan. 1, the government will levy a $95-per-month fine, or $1,140 per year. That's still far less than the average cost of health insurance, which may prompt some consumers to gamble against coverage. "

Your post is really deceitful. The quote that you include is not in the linked article, which clearly states that the fine is $95 per year. Why would you fabricate a complete lie, and then make it into a quote from a linked article? Is that what conservatives do? Just make up lies then pretend that they are quotes from articles?

Obam me wrote:

archer wrote:

Obam me wrote:

archer wrote: Premium values came out today.....no doubling or tripling to be seen.

Hey Arch...give me a couple of days and I'll post some ACTUAL premiums of REAL Coloradans. I've not only seen them, I have spoken to the families who are absolutely scared to death about how they are going to afford these outrageous premiums. What I have did not come out of some stupid report from a stupid government news agency. I have the real thing. You'll be so proud to see what this POS legislation is doing to the peasants. All of you who voted for the current administration not only once, but twice, owe the rest of us an apology.

Colorado set up its own exchanges, but I doubt they vary much from the federal exchanges. They vary by state.. And, there is assistance for lower income enrollees. The federal plams are lower in cost than expected. Single anecdotal stories do not define the ACA.

I know I'm just wasting my time here with you Arch. But I'll give it one last try. I work with families who have been informed by their employers that their health insurance is going away or they are being cut back to part time work or their spouses employer will no longer provide family plans, etc. They live and work here in Colorado. These are REAL letters, real premiums, real financial and medical disasters happening to real Coloradans. I'm not getting my figures from some drive-by reporter or government "expert".

So, here you go. These are the facts. Take it or leave it. This is just one of many examples I have tucked away in my briefcase and as each day goes by, sadly, I collect even more. If this doesn't resonate with you, not as a democrat, but as an American then there's just isn't much more I can do.

Family of 4 (Mom, Dad, 2 pre teen daughters)
Residing in Lakewood CO

Major Medical BRONZE Monthly Cost - $1,055.32
Out of Pocket Cost - $6,250.00

Major Medical PLATINUM Monthly Cost - $2,924.09
Out of Pocket Cost - $2,000

(I will take a risk and assume you know the differences between the Bronze and Platinum Plan.)

Archer, this is what a hard working-class family of 4 in Lakewood are looking at as their new "Affordable Health Care" Plan. Why are they shopping insurance? Because the plan they had through his employer no longer covers his family. Just him. Happy now?

By the way, you talk about how low income folks will qualify for a subsidy. I'm sure you also know that if their employer offers them an insurance plan AND they decline their employer's plan thinking they can go to the Exchange and get a subsidy will find out they are dead wrong. Does that make you smile?

Either way the Government gets ya!

Like Rick posted a couple of days ago...it's just a matter of time until EVERYONE realizes just how bad this is for America and I should just set back and watch the writhing and squirming when it starts, because it has started. The evidence is right here in front of me.

Finally, Obamacare is not just about skyrocketing premiums and "bronze" level sh*tty medical care. Obamacare is so far reaching into our personal lives. Maybe you're ok with that, but I never will be.

*edited to correct # in family unit.

That is just idiotic. You are "assuming" that they had fully employer subsidized premiums on their health insurance (which is extremely rare) and that their employer then decided to "dump" employee subsidized insurance plans. Why would the employer do that under the ACA? If the employer is happy with providing the insurance plans and the insurance is credible, then the employer suffers no penalty under ObamaCares. Why did the employer decide to dump the plans and thus incur $2000 per employee penalty (assuming large business) and loss of business tax deductions and credits? That makes no sense, particularly with insurance premiums dropping or at least not rising at previous rates. Further, if the family unit is below 400% of the poverty level (around $85,000), they are entitled to tax credits that will reduce their monthly premiums. Studies are showing that less than 1% of businesses that provide employer subsidized health insurance are dropping those employee benefits.

How is ObamaCares intruding in your personal life? It provides exchanges for individuals and small businesses to shop for health insurance on an apples to apples basis. If you choose not to participate, the only thing you have to do is check a box on your 1040 as to whether or not you have health insurance and pay the penalty if you do not and do not qualify for an exemption.

I realize that anything associated with President Obama must be an outrage to certain individuals, but try to save your "outrages" for something based on actual facts.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive. Final result, after the revolt, we will have single payer. Obamacare was never intended to actually work, it was a means to an end.

The current disaster is this. Destruction of jobs, destruction of hours. Hurting small business. Making incentives for a company to NOT hire more people. If a company has less than 50, they don't have to pay insurance, or get tax $$ to do so. At 51, they pay a fee, or are required to provide insurance (with no subsidy). Guess what small business can't afford to do.

And it is a disaster for young healthy people who will now have to buy on their own, or be fined by the govt.

Per MSN http://money.msn.com/now/post--how-obam ... ly-budgets
"As the health care exchanges open on Oct. 1 for enrollment, the plans' affordability may make or break the overhaul. If people lack health insurance on Jan. 1, the government will levy a $95-per-month fine, or $1,140 per year. That's still far less than the average cost of health insurance, which may prompt some consumers to gamble against coverage. "

Your post is really deceitful. The quote that you include is not in the linked article, which clearly states that the fine is $95 per year. Why would you fabricate a complete lie, and then make it into a quote from a linked article? Is that what conservatives do? Just make up lies then pretend that they are quotes from articles?

Yep..Thats what they do...