Keep Talking Ted Cruz! KILL OBAMACARE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Obam me wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Obam me wrote:

archer wrote: Premium values came out today.....no doubling or tripling to be seen.

Hey Arch...give me a couple of days and I'll post some ACTUAL premiums of REAL Coloradans. I've not only seen them, I have spoken to the families who are absolutely scared to death about how they are going to afford these outrageous premiums. What I have did not come out of some stupid report from a stupid government news agency. I have the real thing. You'll be so proud to see what this POS legislation is doing to the peasants. All of you who voted for the current administration not only once, but twice, owe the rest of us an apology.

What an idiotic statement. The health care premiums under the exchanges provided in ObamaCares have been shown to be coming in at rates well less than expected. And if your alleged "families" have difficulty in affording them, then they no doubt will be eligible for tax credits which will make their health insurance even more affordable. But then you would not have an "outrage" to rant about then.

Just not happening.

Prove it Dog. Prove it. I posted my proof, now you man...er...dog up and do the same.

What proof? You just made up a bunch of idiotic assumptions. The only factual information is the insurance premium, but you failed to provide the amount of tax credits that the family would qualify for. You also failed to detail how much the employee paid for their employer subsidized health insurance. On average, employees pay $4500 annually in employer subsdized health insurance plans. ( http://kff.org/report-section/2013-summary-of-findings/ ).
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Let say that your imaginary family of four had a yearly income of $60,000. Under Bronze plans, a Lakewood family of four would have annual premiums of $8290. This family would qualify for tax credits, so their actual cost for a Bronze Plan would be $4913 annually ($408 monthly) or about what they probably were paying for their employer subsidized health insurance. ( http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calc ... -tobacco=0 )

If they make less income, then their premiums would be less.

RenegadeCJ wrote: The disaster this will be won't be proven for a few years, maybe a decade. I think all involved know it will be very bad, and very expensive. Final result, after the revolt, we will have single payer. Obamacare was never intended to actually work, it was a means to an end.

The current disaster is this. Destruction of jobs, destruction of hours. Hurting small business. Making incentives for a company to NOT hire more people. If a company has less than 50, they don't have to pay insurance, or get tax $$ to do so. At 51, they pay a fee, or are required to provide insurance (with no subsidy). Guess what small business can't afford to do.

Renegade, the more I review your post, either you choose to be ignorant or deceitful, I do not know which.

The fine that you claim would devastate a small business for hiring the 51st full time employee would be $42000. If a company having 51 employees chooses not to offer health insurance benefits for their employees, they should certainly be able to pay a $42000 fine (which is probably tax deductible). Further, the company would pay no fine for denying health insurance benefits to their employees if they pay a decent income to their employees. The fine for large businesses only kicks in if the employee receives a tax credit due to their income level being below 400 percent of the poverty level.

Federal fines are tax deductible? Who told you that?

It is nice to see that wacko-bird Cruz now has the Bubba / Rubes / Neanderthal wing of the party all sewn up....

"I do not like you, Teddy Cruz
I do not like you or your views
I do not like you in the House
I will not click you with my Mouse
I do not like you, Teddy Cruz
I do not like like you and your views
Would I like you on a box?
Would I like your views on FOX?
Not on a box
Never on FOX
Not in the House
Not with a Mouse
I would not like you here or there
I do not like you anywhere
I do not swallow what you say
Gosh I wish you'd go away!"


"A Village In Canada Is Missing Its Loonie"

Breaking news:

GOP Poised To Drop Government Shutdown Fight -- So It Can Hold The Debt Ceiling Hostage Instead

You can't make this crap up... lol :rofllol

PLEASE....PLEASE... Jus' keep doin' what yer doin'......

Well, when you don't have anything intelligent to add, post another teabagger poster....

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Enjoy the mess you and the collective "we" have voted to put in place.

You're right...Here's one to make you feel comfortable:

Shut up, sit down, and accept what the the collective "we" voted into law. After all it's what the "we" want. Better still, it's what the DHS and other agencies are prepared to march down our streets and ensure each citizen/non-citizen is in compliance.

At this point I hope Barrycare does pass, I have the financial means to survive the punishment that the ACA brings to the average citizen. What about the rest of the citizens? Screw 'em, most of them ignorantly voted for this crap, let 'em suffer under the stupid sh*t they voted for. maybe when they discover how expensive and invasive the ACA is they'll react (too late to do anything about it). Enjoy the IRS probing your finances and enforcing penalties for non-conformance with a law that should never have been passed.

I hope those suffering from cancer, heart disease, and other fatal diseases can withstand the waiting rooms created by the ACA, never mind being able to afford it. Those that don't - that blood is on the hands of Barry and all of his supporters.