Make a choice!

JMC wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: JMC they both suck. Why do you always go back to "well he is better than Bush"

I always say 'don't ever grade yourself on a curve.' If we did that with this site where would we be?

The world is not flat ,it is curved! We all are judged on a curve. Superman was a cartoon.

fordgirl wrote: BUSH WAS RIGHT! AND YEARS FROM NOW YOU WILL THANK HIM!

[youtube:2se9g0z3]

[/youtube:2se9g0z3]

The Viking wrote:

fordgirl wrote: BUSH WAS RIGHT! AND YEARS FROM NOW YOU WILL THANK HIM!

That was awesome!!! I have never seen it. Thanks! And I love your name. Total ford guy here. I am going to share that on Facebook. And just looking at those pictures and seeing all the happy Iraqis and the freedoms they would have never had without us just pisses me off more when I here the liberals keep saying it was a mistake and a waste. Which basically means they are saying that they could care less about those women and children who never had rights and were being raped and tortured. They are basically saying that their lives mean less than American lives. That is so selfish that I am ashamed that Americans are actually saying it.

Why haven't we freed those people?

Science Chic wrote:

The Viking wrote: That was awesome!!! I have never seen it. Thanks! And I love your name. Total ford guy here. I am going to share that on Facebook. And just looking at those pictures and seeing all the happy Iraqis and the freedoms they would have never had without us just pisses me off more when I here the liberals keep saying it was a mistake and a waste. Which basically means they are saying that they could care less about those women and children who never had rights and were being raped and tortured. They are basically saying that their lives mean less than American lives. That is so selfish that I am ashamed that Americans are actually saying it.

Viking, I am all for helping other countries, when their people ask for our help. You cannot force a democracy on a society that has no vested interest in it, and hasn't earned it for themselves. It's like pulling a P. Diddy - buying a 16 year old a $200K Bentley when they won't appreciate it, won't try hard to maintain it, and won't give a d@*n when they wreck it. That video is a pretty propaganda piece, but does it reflect reality? You are making sweeping generalizations about things like women's rights being so awful under Saddam without listening to what they have to say, only what the American spin machine has put out there. Have you even looked into the reality of the current situation for women and children; do you truly think that rape and child prostitution is a thing of the past. It pisses me off that you would claim to be ashamed of those who question such a narrow-minded, biased viewpoint and imply that we are less patriotic for questioning the efforts of our government. You have no problem questioning our government's efforts to increase jobs and effectively deal with illegal immigration, yet you swallow hook line and sinker that we are doing our best for women in Iraq. BS.
http://www.iheu.org/node/1020
Conditions in Post-War Iraq

So where are the unveiled women? Secular Iraqi women now find their rights under greater threat than before. America’s ‘war against terrorism’ has led both to the creation of more terrorists and to the increase in power of fundamentalist movements that oppose what freedoms Iraqi women still possess. Such groups have exploited the chaotic situation after the war to create an atmosphere of intimidation. Professional women are finding themselves effectively banned from education, work, or even going shopping unless they wear hijab. Islamic leaders, both Shi’ite and Sunni, have acquired a firmer grip on Iraqi society. For women, that means greater terror and enslavement.

None of the likely future rulers of Iraq – chosen and supported by the American Bush administration – make a single reference to women’s rights in their political programmes. The achievement of women’s rights should happen from the grass roots: through the explicit abolition of all kinds of discriminative laws and the establishment of a secular state by the Iraqis themselves.

http://womensrights.change.org/blog/vie ... by_the_day
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... 27s_rights
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010 ... 41860.html
Have you been over there and talked with the people? My husband has. While they are grateful that Saddam is gone, a good portion of them don't feel that their lives have improved much (some even feel their freedoms are worse because the violence is worse with Al-Qaeda terrorizing their cities and Islamic fundamentalists gaining more power), and they worry what the future holds for them and their children when we reduce forces there (we aren't leaving, we've built too many, too big of permanent bases and have too much economic interest in their natural resources). Was it a mistake to invade? Yes, in the manner in which we did it. We should have had the support of the rest of the world to help end atrocities, and most importantly, we should have had the backing of the Iraqi people. Is it a waste? Only if we don't do our best to get the Iraqi people strengthened and vested in their own government so that what we started doesn't epically fail.