GROUNDING a bad bird

13 Mar 2019 13:36 #1 by homeagain
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/business/canada-737-max.html

As an INDY I applaud this action.....I AGREE with Trump,.in that computerized control ofthe plane doesNOT address the issue of how intuitive or skillful the pilot ACTUALLY is in manning the aircraft.

Number of flying hours for the pilot, simulation training WITHOUT the aid of computer driven control....all are essential in averting a catastrophic crash. I realize there are many factors
in flight training,BUT, KNOWING the aircraft and flying it intutively is an ART. "SULLY''is the
set standard for that scenario....jmo

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14 Mar 2019 05:02 #2 by Pony Soldier
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The computer control is apparently simple to bypass, but requires training to do so. Pilots have been complaining about the software here in the States, but have been properly trained on the software so they could bypass when needed. Boeing has already come out with a software patch, but likely too little, too late. They are going to have to admit culpability on this one and fall on the grenade if they ever want to claw their way back out of the red.

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15 Mar 2019 12:49 #3 by homeagain
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www.foxnews.com/us/hero-pilot-who-landed...opian-airlines-crash


PER SULLY......not enough cock pit training and the airlines are pushing pilots thru the system
with insufficient training......so-o-o, with that information should you (collectively) be asking
the question (before boarding) HOW MANY FLIGHT HOURS DOES THE PILOT AND CO PILOT HAVE?

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16 Mar 2019 07:55 #4 by homeagain
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www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/201...lout-d-c/3146037002/


The back story to this bird......begs the question......do you REALLY trust your airlines ability to put safety OVER $$$$$?

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17 Mar 2019 14:23 - 17 Mar 2019 14:40 #5 by homeagain
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www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-...complexity-of-planes

PER WSJ......BOEING WANTED TO DO A HANDOUT OF CHANGES,NO REAL PROGRAM
SIMULATOR OR VIEDO TUTORIAL …..FAA IS STILL ASKING FOR TUTORIAL AND
SIMULATOR DISPLAY.....BOEING IS GOING ON THE CHEAP....$$$$$ GREED AND
NO INTEGRITY.....when changes to original design circumvents the process for safety and
secure training....we have a pretty BIG problem.

Aviation industry is NOT the only culprit....the medical device industry is doing the SAME thing,
making changes and circumventing the process of approval because of$$$$$.
www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/traini...-and-737-max/585142/

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18 Mar 2019 12:38 #6 by homeagain
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www.cnn.com/2019/03/17/politics/transpor...stigation/index.html

WTH...….FAA farms out oversight to BOEING????? SO-o-o not TOO much pressure to
make sure modifications are ''MOVED thru the process'' EXPEDITIOUSLY to ensure profits are increased.....Unbelievable...….think you MIGHT want to rethink your position on BOEING
IF it is in your financial folder....WAIT for video....lots of loaded information.....watch and
WONDER what were they thinking???

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20 Mar 2019 09:11 - 20 Mar 2019 09:16 #7 by homeagain
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homeagain wrote: www.cnn.com/2019/03/17/politics/transpor...stigation/index.html

WTH...….FAA farms out oversight to BOEING????? SO-o-o not TOO much pressure to
make sure modifications are ''MOVED thru the process'' EXPEDITIOUSLY to ensure profits are increased.....Unbelievable...….think you MIGHT want to rethink your position on BOEING
IF it is in your financial folder....WAIT for video....lots of loaded information.....watch and
WONDER what were they thinking???



www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/capt-sul...p-between-boeing-faa

NOT JMO...…...And just reported that another pilot was ''DEADHEADING'' on a flight that
had the SAME problem and he SAVED the bird from crashing...…( I can post link if you wish)

www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/asia/lion-air-thi...ilot-intl/index.html

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20 Mar 2019 11:39 #8 by ScienceChic
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The more I hear about this, the worse it looks for Boeing. And the FAA. You cannot rely on a company to police its own safety protocols, they aren't objective enough, and we need sufficient funding for our regulatory agencies - that's their job, to help keep the public safe.

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20 Mar 2019 12:51 #9 by homeagain
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ScienceChic wrote: The more I hear about this, the worse it looks for Boeing. And the FAA. You cannot rely on a company to police its own safety protocols, they aren't objective enough, and we need sufficient funding for our regulatory agencies - that's their job, to help keep the public safe.


SC......it is not just this industry....I subscribe WSJ and MEDSCAPE and about 1 year ago
they were reporting MEDICAL DEVICES (implanted) were doing the same ''WORK AROUND'' to save time and $$$$$. Which translates to patient READMISSIONS and REPAIR IF they experience malfunction or complications from the implanted device. There are several lawsuits working thru the courts because of NON DISCLOSURE or blatant disregard for
the implications....
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21 Mar 2019 08:03 #10 by homeagain
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www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/business/boei...features-charge.html


FYI....for MORE $$$$$.....BOEING (FAA=BOEING) deemed TWO FEATURES MANDATORY FOR SAFTEY( ON THE NEW VERSION) as add ons (EXTRA OPTIONS) and charged more $$$$ for those options.....review above link to understand WHICH AIRLINES shelled out
EXTRA MONEY FOR YOUR SAFETY......FAA is negligent and should be held accountable...jmo

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