End Of Quarantine?

06 Apr 2020 14:17 #11 by FredHayek
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New York appears to have turned the corner. California has sent unneeded ventilators to other hotspots.
Colorado still thinks the peak is coming, but I hope they are wrong. Wyoming, one of the smallest in population states still doesn't have a death. Maybe low population density is a good thing?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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06 Apr 2020 21:13 #12 by ScienceChic
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When Can We Lift the Coronavirus Pandemic Restrictions? Not Before Taking These Steps
Johns Hopkins health security expert Tom Inglesby discusses the need for widespread testing, protective equipment and face coverings
By Tanya Lewis, Scientific American | April 6, 2020

With much of the country grinding to a halt in a desperate attempt to slow the spread of the new coronavirus, many people are wondering when the U.S. will be able to “reopen.”

The American Enterprise Institute, a public policy think tank, recently released a report co-written by former U.S. Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb that offers a four-phase “road map to reopening.” The first phase—which the U.S. is currently in—involves slowing the spread of new infections with physical distancing measures, such as closing schools and having people work from home. In the second step, individual states can reopen when they have the capacity to identify, test and isolate most people with COVID-19 and their close contacts—but some distancing will still be required. In the third, remaining restrictions can be lifted when an effective therapy or vaccine becomes available or when data show widespread immunity. The final stage, after the current pandemic is over, will be to invest heavily in research and health care to prepare for the next one.

Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health—and an expert on pandemic preparedness—provided input for the report and helped to review it. Scientific American spoke with Inglesby about some of the most important criteria the country must meet before it can reopen.

Read the interview at www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-...e-taking-these-steps

The report:
National coronavirus response: A road map to reopening
Scott Gottlieb, Former Commissioner of the FDA | March 29, 2020

Executive Summary

This report provides a road map for navigating through the current COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. It outlines specific directions for adapting our public-health strategy as we limit the epidemic spread of COVID-19 and are able to transition to new tools and approaches to prevent further spread of the disease. We outline the steps that can be taken as epidemic transmission is brought under control in different regions. These steps can transition to tools and approaches that target those with infection rather than mitigation tactics that target entire populations in regions where transmission is widespread and not controlled. We suggest measurable milestones for identifying when we can make these transitions and start reopening America for businesses and families.

In each phase, we outline the steps that the federal government, working with the states and public-health and health care partners, should take to inform the response. This will take time, but planning for each phase should begin now so the infrastructure is in place when it is time to transition.

To gradually move away from a reliance on physical distancing as our primary tool for controlling future spread, we need:

  1. Better data to identify areas of spread and the rate of exposure and immunity in the population;
  2. Improvements in state and local health care system capabilities, public-health infrastructure for early outbreak identification, case containment, and adequate medical supplies; and
  3. Therapeutic, prophylactic, and preventive treatments and better-informed medical interventions that give us the tools to protect the most vulnerable people and help rescue those who may become very sick.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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06 Apr 2020 22:09 #13 by Blazer Bob
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“History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes,” as Mark Twain is often reputed to have said

quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/12/history-rhymes/

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06 Apr 2020 22:18 #14 by ScienceChic
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A New Normal With COVID-19: The Next Steps We Must Take
With good strategy and strong execution, we will be able to return to a safer, more united world with better health care
by Tom Frieden, Former Director, CDC | April 6, 2020

For many people around the country and around the world, the apartments or homes where we are sheltering have begun to feel like that cramped closet. We begin to imagine a call of all-clear, when we can uncurl ourselves and stretch out into the comfortable world we left behind.

But until we develop a vaccine against COVID-19, we won’t be able to return to the way things used to be. As long as most people lack immunity, resuming our normal activities will bring infections roaring back. When we do finally step back outside, it will have to be a gradual return guided by a concrete plan based on solid science. We need to act right now to put those plans in place and make sure that when that day comes, it arrives as soon and as safely as possible.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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07 Apr 2020 05:59 #15 by Pony Soldier
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I can't help but notice that your posts address the health side of the equation only ignoring the economic impact of such actions. How many lives will be lost when we enter a worldwide great depression? How many will be lost when the food runs out? As Trump said, "The cure can't be worse than the disease."

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07 Apr 2020 07:22 #16 by homeagain
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Pony Soldier wrote: I can't help but notice that your posts address the health side of the equation only ignoring the economic impact of such actions. How many lives will be lost when we enter a worldwide great depression? How many will be lost when the food runs out? As Trump said, "The cure can't be worse than the disease."


SC is a scientist....thus her perspective.

Here's a thought process....
PERHAPS there is a universal lesson that WE,the world, are all one....what happens to one,
happens to ALL......we see this now unfolding,not "over there",but here...makes a difference in
how U choose your actions, how they impact the whole...when U go thru severe hardship, your
level of empathy expands accordingly.

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07 Apr 2020 08:10 #17 by Pony Soldier
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Why go through self induced severe hardship?

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07 Apr 2020 09:04 #18 by homeagain
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Pony Soldier wrote: Why go through self induced severe hardship?


ASK that of the Governors who are NOT following protocol, who open beaches AGAIN,who
allow churches to congregate AGAIN.....it just prolongs the "lesson"....the proverbial brick thru the window lesson.....IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO PROHIBIT THE SPREAD....the lesson is sacrifice
now or seriously suffer later....it is a choice...from my fav book....

"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in it's hand....you seek problems because you need their gifts".....

In this case, jmo, the gift is a BETTER WORLD....for all of us.....eventually.

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07 Apr 2020 09:50 #19 by ramage
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Here's a thought process....
PERHAPS there is a universal lesson that WE,the world, are all one....what happens to one,
happens to ALL......we see this now unfolding,not "over there",but here...makes a difference in
how U choose your actions, how they impact the whole...when U go thru severe hardship, your
level of empathy expands accordingly.

Au contraire, what we are learning is that we are NOT all one. Virtually every country has closed its borders with its neighbors. In the U.S. states require quarantine of people coming from states where the virus is most prevalent.
A disease does not discriminate but people do.

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07 Apr 2020 09:55 #20 by Pony Soldier
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homeagain wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: Why go through self induced severe hardship?


ASK that of the Governors who are NOT following protocol, who open beaches AGAIN,who
allow churches to congregate AGAIN.....it just prolongs the "lesson"....the proverbial brick thru the window lesson.....IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO PROHIBIT THE SPREAD....the lesson is sacrifice
now or seriously suffer later....it is a choice...from my fav book....

"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in it's hand....you seek problems because you need their gifts".....

In this case, jmo, the gift is a BETTER WORLD....for all of us.....eventually.


Ah yes, the Thanos doctrine...

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