End Of Quarantine?

09 Apr 2020 09:12 #41 by homeagain
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And you THINK the king can accomplish that in a timely manner, I don't think so....hasn't been able to exhibit ANY forward thinking actions (OH, he did close the travel from the east, as he ALWAYS reminds.EVERY single time he does a briefing...daily)
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09 Apr 2020 09:18 #42 by FredHayek
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homeagain wrote: And you THINK the king can accomplish that in a timely manner, I don't think so....hasn't been able to exhibit ANY forward thinking actions (OH, he did close the travel from the east, as he ALWAYS reminds.EVERY single time he does a briefing...daily)
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That was important. New Zealand closed the borders in late March and still have only one CV death.
The new numbers say that NYC didn't get their exposure from China but from Europe instead, after the Chinese had infected them. Ever seen Chinese tour groups before? They are all over Europe and Canada. If Europe had closed the borders with China earlier, they would have been in a lot better shape.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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09 Apr 2020 09:55 #43 by homeagain
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www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/what-matters-april-8/index.html

An explanation of shifting models/numbers......NO WAY can we open in May 1st.......(of course this is from CNN, faux news...U decide

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09 Apr 2020 10:22 #44 by Pony Soldier
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homeagain wrote: www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/what-matters-april-8/index.html

An explanation of shifting models/numbers......NO WAY can we open in May 1st.......(of course this is from CNN, faux news...U decide


I had to lol at their explanation. “Social distancing is working better than expected.” BS! Their projections were vastly overstated.

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10 Apr 2020 07:57 #45 by homeagain
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Pony Soldier wrote:

homeagain wrote: www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/what-matters-april-8/index.html

An explanation of shifting models/numbers......NO WAY can we open in May 1st.......(of course this is from CNN, faux news...U decide


I had to lol at their explanation. “Social distancing is working better than expected.” BS! Their projections were vastly overstated.[/quote

Could it be a little bit of BOTH factors?

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01 May 2020 15:02 #46 by ScienceChic
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This is what success looks like, and when countries (or states) should consider re-opening. Not while community spread is still happening, cases are still plateauing or barely decreasing, some hospitals barely have enough PPE, testing isn't occurring in useful quantities, and contact tracing protocols aren't yet implemented.

 Coronavirus: New Zealand claims no community cases as lockdown eases
BBC | 27 April 2020

With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated. “We are opening up the economy, but we're not opening up people's
social lives," Ms Ardern said at the daily government briefing. New Zealand has reported fewer than 1,500 confirmed or probable cases of coronavirus and 19 deaths. How did New Zealand respond to the virus? The country brought in some of the toughest restrictions in the world
on travel and activity early on in the pandemic, when it only had a few
dozen cases. It closed its borders, started enforcing quarantine of all arrivals in the country, brought in a stringent lockdown and
mounted an extensive testing and contact tracing operation. But the government has also been praised for the clarity of its messaging throughout the crisis.

According to one forecasting model (YYG by Youyang Gu in the CDC's select list of models), we'll surpass 80,000 U.S. deaths by May 10th, and have a 74% chance of surpassing 100,000 deaths by June 1.

Youyang Gu @youyanggu 11h

We updated every state's reopening timeline to reflect the current situation as of May 1.This may cause a "second wave" of cases for states such as Georgia and Colorado.

We are the only model that factors in state-by-state reopenings. Full projections: covid19-projections.com

Sweden is banking on achieving herd immunity more quickly so they can go back to "normal" sooner, but they are gambling on some important unknowns, like whether infection will confer immunity or not.
What policy makers need to know about COVID-19 protective immunity
Daniel M Altmann, Daniel C Douek, Rosemary J Boyton
Published:April 27, 2020, The Lancet DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30985-5

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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01 May 2020 15:55 #47 by ramage
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As it is often said in the scientific community, read your article with great interest. "What policy makers need to know about COVID-19 protective immunity 
Daniel M Altmann, Daniel C Douek, Rosemary J Boyton
Published:April 27, 2020, The Lancet DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30985-5

To cut to the chase, what are you recommending?  This is addressed to the authors of the article, but anyone who has read it please enlighten me as to what the authors are espousing, other than more data will hopefully improve our models.

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01 May 2020 16:26 #48 by Pony Soldier
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Wait a minute S.C.  wasn’t the goal of the shutdown to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm hospitals?  Flattening the curve simply spreads out the number of deaths and cases. It doesn’t actually prevent them. Is this article now saying that the goal of shutting down was to prevent sickness and death?  That’s impossible. Is stupid and reckless. Spreading out the pain of this  Chinese bat virus is not going to save lives. It is only going to cost millions of lives due to overwhelming poverty. It has already cost many of us our  chance of retirement but when it costs families food, shelter and healthcare, it is criminal. 
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02 May 2020 11:49 #49 by FredHayek
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Well put. 

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02 May 2020 13:23 #50 by homeagain
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ONLY time will tell......the transits (trends) indicate LARGE numbers of the populace will become infected, since
the PROPER procedures were not put in place in a timely fashion.....blowing open the economy and assuming a"normal"
WILL BE DETRIMENTAL in the extreme......what what happens.....JUNE,JULY.....U will know.......the entire FUBAR sits
square on the king's shoulders.....because,'IT WILL BE LIKE A MIRACLE,'' AND GO AWAY.

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