results?.......FALLOUT TO FOLLOW, FUBAR NOT FAR BEHIND

PrintSmith wrote:

homeagain wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Wow . . . an actual Project 2025 reference, first I've seen post-election of a thoroughly debunked propaganda effort that Trump party to anything in that plan. I've got some news for you HA, the only people willing to accept that a serially repeated lie has been fundamentally transformed into truth aren't independent, or forward thinkers . . . they're the unfortunate victims of propaganda.

AND THERE IT IS.....HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT......DENIAL.....U SHOULD DO MORE RESEARCH. BECAUSE 1/2 HIS CABINET R PLANNERS OF THAT PROJECT....LET ME JUST SLICE MY THROAT AND BE DONE WITH THIS BLIND BULL SHIT.....

The fatal flaw in your opinion is that everything in Project 2025 is fatally flawed. Certainly some of it is, and some of it is very rational. That's true of the entirety of any policy plan, and Project 2025 is not any different than any other policy outline in that regard.

You sit there as if you believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, and despite Trump's own statements regarding the outline, that Trump embraces every policy it contains as his own. That's simply not the case, you know its not the case, and yet, just as the collectivists sought, and utterly failed, to establish prior to the last election, you seek to revive the debunked propaganda lie and give it a new life that somehow over the course of the last few months it has somehow been fundamentally transformed into verifiable fact.

It doesn't matter if half of his cabinet contributed to the plan. I'm sure many of the policies Trump already held were included in that plan, and many that he has, and will, oppose are included in that plan. To insist that Trump is bound by the contents of the plan in any way, shape, or form is simply a fabrication for the purpose of propaganda. I'm sure that there are some elements of the plan that many Democrats agree with in principle, that doesn't establish that because they agree with a few parts of the plan that they are beholden to implement the entire plan.

BOLDED....U R MISGUIDED....it is a EXTREME right wing religious HERITAGE foundation plan.... put together by a group of HIGHLY motivated religious zealots..... perhaps u should read about the HERITAGE FOUNDATION and it's influence within the TRUMP CIRCLE......there r many members who r now within the "loyalist" list that Trump has composed. TRUMP HAS MADE A "RUN' IN THE GAME OF SPADES. HE HOLDS ALL THE CARDS.....end of story on it's just a plan,like any other plan.

I am really impressed with these Heritage fellows. Usually wonky types in think tanks are more thinkers than doers.

But these guys have their ducks in a row and are systematically showing the public as much of the government as they legally can. Such a change from Democrats who claim we have to pass the bill to see what is in it. High praise for the executive branch here.

YA, I am sure u would be...you r not a female. THIS group is pushing a anti female agenda...MOST of the reproductive issues r being instituted by this EXTREME RELIGIOUS RIGHT, and r causing massive confusion within the medical arena., LEADING TO UNNECESSARY DEATHS OF PREGNANT WOMAN.

Like the EO Trump signed the other day that directed agencies to expand access to and reduce the cost of IVF treatment? The reproductive issue is also a settled matter . . . Trump has said, numerous times now, and in opposition to the "playbook" you are accusing him of following, that it is a matter that will be left to the States to decide for themselves and that the federal government won't be imposing a one size fits none federal solution while he is in office.

Look, you can believe anything you wish to believe, you can believe the moon is made of cheese if you want to despite all evidence to the contrary, but your beliefs just so happen, again, to lie in opposition to all available information on the subject.

There are 9 States, plus DC, where a woman has access to an elective homicide in the 38th week of her pregnancy if she wants to do that, which goes beyond the Roe decision. A majority of the States limit access only at, or after, viability is reached, or have no restrictions at all. A minority of the States have limited access prior to viability and only 16 of them restrict abortion after 6 weeks. In 34 of the 50 States you have access to an elective homicide for a minimum of 12 weeks, the entire first trimester of the pregnancy. And yet you act as though there is no access to elective homicides at all for some odd reason.

homeagain wrote: YA, I am sure u would be...you r not a female. THIS group is pushing a anti female agenda...MOST of the reproductive issues r being instituted by this EXTREME RELIGIOUS RIGHT, and r causing massive confusion within the medical arena., LEADING TO UNNECESSARY DEATHS OF PREGNANT WOMAN.

A majority of White Women chose Trump over Kamala.

. A majority of the States limit access only at, or after, viability is reached, let me pound my head against the wall, one more time......THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IN ALL STATES, R FEARFUL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE QUESTION OF VIABILITY.....SO THEY WILL ALLOW UNTHINKABLE THINGS TO OCCUR...BLEEDING OUT TILL DEATH, WHEN THERE R COMPLICATIONS, SEPSIS MANIFESTING BECAUSE OF DELAYED ACTIONS,DECISIONS AND TEXAS IS THE WORST OF ALL OF THEM....U R NOT ON MEDICAL WEB SITES (OR PHARMACY SITE) i AM....IF U HAVE CHILDREN OF CHILD BEARING AGE.......ASK THEM THEY WILL TELL U THAT THEY AND THEIR FRIENDS R TERRIFIED...LIVING IN COLORADO IS A SAVING GRACE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN, AND THEY R FLOCKING HERE IN DROVES BECAUSE OF THE LEGALITY FRAMEWORK. U R LIVING UNDERNEATH A BLANKET OF MALE BLINDNESS (IT IS NOT U THAT CARRY A FETUS IN YOUR BODY)....u need to look at the demographics of death, of infants,pregnant women since the law was reversed.....BIRTH DEFECTS THAT RESULT IN DEATH OF AN INFANT R ON THE RISE, LIFE THREATENING COMPLICATIONS FOR THE WOMAN, WHO HAS TO WAIT FOR A DECISION,RATHER THAN IMMEDIATE ACTION....THESE R THE ATROCITIES NOW PRESENT, BECAUSE STATES R RELUCTANT TO PROCEED WITH REQUIRED TREATMENT FOR FEAR OF THE NEW LAWS....u obviously r excellent at quoting stats....look up the above stats BE INFORMED..because the post u just typed is only painting a portion of the complete
scenario.....THE HUMAN SUFFERING ELEMENT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

The Left sure wants to keep the right to kill their unborn children. Future generations will be shocked at these callous folks.

Doesn't matter if I can become pregnant or not HA, there are numerous women in my life who can and the lives of most of them are as precious to me as my own life is. One of my extended family members is a family physician, been practicing medicine for going on 30 years now. We've had discussions about exactly what you are talking about, and you know what that doctor tells me?

There is no morally acceptable reason for hesitation in the treatment of a patient. A doctor who hesitates to protect themselves has no business being in the business. What matters is the patient, first and foremost, the health of the patient. And that is consistent with every opinion issued in every State where access to an elective homicide is restricted after the first 6 weeks of the pregnancy. The doctor is the ultimate authority on whether or not a specific treatment is required, there isn't any Monday morning quarterbacking involved.

There isn't a single State anywhere in this union where an ectopic pregnancy is considered viable . . . not a single one. Any doctor in any State who would hesitate under such a scenario out of irrational fears about what might happen to them ought to lose their license to practice medicine.

Additionally, if the woman experiences a pre-viability PPROM, induction and C-Section are available treatments as both are legitimate medical procedures to protect the life of the woman and neither is considered an elective homicide procedure. Intent is the key factor. If the intent is to deliver the baby, alive, even if it isn't expected to live long after being born, then the procedure, legally, isn't an direct abortion. Additionally, there have been great strides in the realm of medicine for women who experience PPROM early in their pregnancies when expectant management is employed. A research study conducted in Austria, Germany and Belgium in the early 2000s found that upwards of 70% of the children survived a pre-viability rupture of the membrane when expectant management was employed.

Are there higher risks? Yes, there are, but risk management is part and parcel of medical care, isn't it.

The standard of care is the same in all 50 States, any doctor who would choose to withhold evidence based care based on fear shouldn't be practicing medicine, period. As long as the care they give their patient adheres to the evidence based standard of care that covers the treatment of any pregnant woman experiencing a medical emergency, they will not violate any law, in any State, regardless of whether that State is Idaho or Colorado.

Not to mention, though I will, in Moyle v US the Supreme Court said that EMTALA would prevail while the case worked its way through the courts . . . so even in Idaho, where the only exception stated in the law is to preserve the life of the mother, even a direct abortion is permitted where the standard of care indicates such a treatment in necessary to protect her health.

In every material way you are wrong on this issue HA . . . you have swallowed down the fear mongering propaganda without even giving it a single chew first.

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH....I ASKED FOR THE STATS IN EVERY INCREASING DEATHS OR FATAL INJURIES OF INFANTS AND WOMEN WHO R PREGNANT. and the doctor who stated the integrity and responsibility .is first and foremost is CORRECT,THE BIG HOWEVER IS, THAT IS NOT THE REALITY. THAT IS A GOOD DOCTORS PROMISE OF PRACTICE.....IT IS NOT HAPPENING IN A UNIVERSAL WAY....BECAUSE LOSING A LICENSE IS THE CLOUD HANGING OVER THEIR HEADS....DO THE RESEARCH. (SPECIFICALLY IN THE SOUTHERN STATES AND TEXAS.) i HATE IT WHEN A MAN THINKS ALL IS PEACHY KEEN IN THE MEDICAL FIELD FOR WOMEN...IT IS NOT...BUT THEN I AM JUST A WOMAN AND i KNOW NOTHING.

homeagain wrote: I AM JUST A WOMAN AND i KNOW NOTHING.

Finally, you speak some truth. Thumbs up