God and Liberalism will forever be at odds

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

You people who twist the words of the bible to benefit you really are sad. That is not what it says. I cannot see anywhere where it says to give money to the talking donkey!

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

You people who twist the words of the bible to benefit you really are sad. That is not what it says. I cannot see anywhere where it says to give money to the talking donkey!

Please point out where I am twisting the words of the Bible. I quoted them here for you - they are verbatim.

Here's the context, from Matthew 5:

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

That doesn't exactly sound like conservative principles.

Scruffy wrote: Here's the context, from Matthew 5:

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

That doesn't exactly sound like conservative principles.

Here is Matthew 5:42 explained.

Meaning of Matthew 5:42

Question:


Does Matthew 5:42
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

mean that we are supposed to give to whoever asks for something no matter what? If a person comes to me and asks for $1000. this verse would seem to say that I'm to give it to him without giving it any thought. But, I find that hard to believe because in the extreme that person could ask for my home and then I'm supposed to give it to him. It seems to me that we should be using our intelligence as we give. We don't give to a charity unless we know that it is legitimate, first of all, and then secondly, that it is something we believe is worth supporting. So why does it seem wrong to use our minds when responding to someone who asks for something? I've been told that "Jesus didn't tell us to use our minds; he said to give to him who asks." How do I respond biblically to that? What exactly does Matthew 5:42 mean?

Answer:

You ask a good question. Let's look carefully at what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5:42.


Jesus is speaking about a request for either a gift ("the one who begs") or a loan ("the one who borrows"). In either case, without discriminating, Jesus says that we should give and not refuse the one asking of us. Whether we expect to get paid back or whether we have no hope of being repaid we are to give to those who need.


We must not miss that Jesus is describing radically selfless behavior, the kind that is unnatural to sinners and incomprehensible to the world. The person who lives this way isn't governed by self-interest or self-protection and doesn't plead his legal or personal rights. His life is characterized by lovingly serving others.


This is where it helps to remember the context of Matthew 5:42, the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is setting before his disciples the ethic of the kingdom of heaven. Just as Jesus has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, those who by his grace become the true subjects of this kingdom offer up a "greater righteousness" that fulfills anything required under the Mosaic law.


So Jesus is not establishing an inflexible rule that everyone give until they've been bled dry. This is to miss what Jesus is saying: those who have experienced the grace of God do more than just keep the rules! They live by a new set of values. They are transformed in such a way that they now live a lifestyle of service that is characterized by Jesus' selfless love.


So if the point is the radical and selfless service that characterizes the citizens of his kingdom, this bears on how I responsibly apply Matthew 5:42. When I am giving and lending, am I really serving the person who is in need? Am I acting in their best interest? I would not really be serving them if I just let them indulge their greed or escape the consequences of irresponsible and unrighteous behavior by giving them what is mine.


But whether or not I give financially (which I think this passage calls us to do much more liberally than is our practice), Matthew 5:42 calls me to recognize that I have been made a citizen of heaven and should act with the values of that kingdom as I give myself to others as Jesus gave himself for me.

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

You people who twist the words of the bible to benefit you really are sad. That is not what it says. I cannot see anywhere where it says to give money to the talking donkey!

Please point out where I am twisting the words of the Bible. I quoted them here for you - they are verbatim.

SO you really believe that based upon that verse that if you claim to be a Christain and I walk up to you and say I want your house, that if you don't give it to me, you are not a true Christian?

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote: Here's the context, from Matthew 5:

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

That doesn't exactly sound like conservative principles.

Here is Matthew 5:42 explained.

Meaning of Matthew 5:42

Question:


Does Matthew 5:42
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

mean that we are supposed to give to whoever asks for something no matter what? If a person comes to me and asks for $1000. this verse would seem to say that I'm to give it to him without giving it any thought. But, I find that hard to believe because in the extreme that person could ask for my home and then I'm supposed to give it to him. It seems to me that we should be using our intelligence as we give. We don't give to a charity unless we know that it is legitimate, first of all, and then secondly, that it is something we believe is worth supporting. So why does it seem wrong to use our minds when responding to someone who asks for something? I've been told that "Jesus didn't tell us to use our minds; he said to give to him who asks." How do I respond biblically to that? What exactly does Matthew 5:42 mean?

Answer:

You ask a good question. Let's look carefully at what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5:42.


Jesus is speaking about a request for either a gift ("the one who begs") or a loan ("the one who borrows"). In either case, without discriminating, Jesus says that we should give and not refuse the one asking of us. Whether we expect to get paid back or whether we have no hope of being repaid we are to give to those who need.


We must not miss that Jesus is describing radically selfless behavior, the kind that is unnatural to sinners and incomprehensible to the world. The person who lives this way isn't governed by self-interest or self-protection and doesn't plead his legal or personal rights. His life is characterized by lovingly serving others.


This is where it helps to remember the context of Matthew 5:42, the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is setting before his disciples the ethic of the kingdom of heaven. Just as Jesus has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, those who by his grace become the true subjects of this kingdom offer up a "greater righteousness" that fulfills anything required under the Mosaic law.


So Jesus is not establishing an inflexible rule that everyone give until they've been bled dry. This is to miss what Jesus is saying: those who have experienced the grace of God do more than just keep the rules! They live by a new set of values. They are transformed in such a way that they now live a lifestyle of service that is characterized by Jesus' selfless love.


So if the point is the radical and selfless service that characterizes the citizens of his kingdom, this bears on how I responsibly apply Matthew 5:42. When I am giving and lending, am I really serving the person who is in need? Am I acting in their best interest? I would not really be serving them if I just let them indulge their greed or escape the consequences of irresponsible and unrighteous behavior by giving them what is mine.

But whether or not I give financially (which I think this passage calls us to do much more liberally than is our practice), Matthew 5:42 calls me to recognize that I have been made a citizen of heaven and should act with the values of that kingdom as I give myself to others as Jesus gave himself for me.

So, I now determine how best to serve someone else in need? Isn't that God's job? This obvious sermon that you've posted is trying to make you feel good for not following the gospel. The Bible states plainly what you are to do and this preacher is trying to spin it so that you can keep your house and money while telling you that it's the spirit of selfless giving that counts.

Perhaps you do not have enough faith in God to follow his word. Perhaps you think that God will not take care of you if you give away everything. Remember what Jesus said about a rich man getting into heaven?

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

You people who twist the words of the bible to benefit you really are sad. That is not what it says. I cannot see anywhere where it says to give money to the talking donkey!

Please point out where I am twisting the words of the Bible. I quoted them here for you - they are verbatim.

SO you really believe that based upon that verse that if you claim to be a Christain and I walk up to you and say I want your house, that if you don't give it to me, you are not a true Christian?

The Bible says to "give to the one who asks." There's no conditions that Jesus placed on that. Trust God to replace your house after you give it away.

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Hebrews 13:2

(Scruffy could be an Angel, just checking out your faith)

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Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Scruffy wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: The schoolyard bully is at it again. He’s making life miserable for the weaker kids and ignoring all the rules. The teachers and school disciplinarians are at the end of their rope trying to cope with the kid. What motivates his behavior? He may be treating others as he has been treated or he may just resent being told how to behave. Whatever his motivation, he is not guided by a constructive nor a productive goal. He is his own authority unless or until someone halts his behavior. Liberals approach life in much the same way. The Liberal mindset does not allow for two gods. When “self” is the god of one’s life, there isn’t room for another god so the obvious solution is to deny the unseen God. It isn’t complicated; this is why Liberals hate God.

http://www.thinkpatriot.com/faith-issue ... -hate-god/

Really? Selfish? Interesting that the Bible tells you to give to anyone that asks - do you?

Matthew 5:42 - "Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

And do you really think God thought with our free will that we would be stupid enough as a nation to vote in someone as greedy as wasteful as Pelosi and Reid? NO, we should not give our money to people like that who only care about votes and not people.

Give me your money, Viking. The Bible tells you to do that.

You people who twist the words of the bible to benefit you really are sad. That is not what it says. I cannot see anywhere where it says to give money to the talking donkey!

Please point out where I am twisting the words of the Bible. I quoted them here for you - they are verbatim.

SO you really believe that based upon that verse that if you claim to be a Christain and I walk up to you and say I want your house, that if you don't give it to me, you are not a true Christian?

The Bible says to "give to the one who asks." There's no conditions that Jesus placed on that. Trust God to replace your house after you give it away.

Fine, give me your house, your car and all your money. I need it. If you really think that is what it means then give it to me. :bash :bash