Politico Drops Race Card on Donald Trump

Fact - Obama's birth certificate has been released, authenticated with a seal.

Fact - Obama was a student at Occidental College in California from 1979-1981.

Fact - Obama transferred from Occidental to Cloumbia in 1981 and graduated in 1983.

Fact - Obama graduated from Harvard Law school in 1991.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their school records.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their medical records.


Your insinuations that he is hiding something are baseless. You have obviously made up your mind on this issues, like Outdoor338, and are unwilling to evaluate the evidence that is presented to you.

major bean wrote: Still playing the game, huh?

But the records for Obama DO STILL EXIST and can be produced TODAY. He is hiding them

If the ten commandments were still in existence and were being hid, I would be very skeptical of those ten commandments. Wouldn't you?

I'm skeptical of everything. That does not mean I doubt everything unreasonably. Or am paranoically inclined to read the worst into blank spaces. Or believe that even politicians should have no privacy at all at my demand. I even sided with GW Bush refusing to discuss his prior drinking problems. We have no 100% right to demand documentation of every detail of anyone's past. I am satisifed the President is a citizen and eligible to the office. You are not, and never will be, no matter what evidence is produced. Which is why you appear unreasonable and hypocritical in demanding evidence, because it would never satisfy you anyway.

Fact - Obama's birth certificate has been released, authenticated with a seal.
1. This is in extreme doubt.

Fact - Obama was a student at Occidental College in California from 1979-1981.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Obama transferred from Occidental to Cloumbia in 1981 and graduated in 1983.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Obama graduated from Harvard Law school in 1991.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their school records.
1. This is a lie.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their medical records.
1. This is a lie.

AspenValley wrote:

major bean wrote: Still playing the game, huh?

But the records for Obama DO STILL EXIST and can be produced TODAY. He is hiding them

If the ten commandments were still in existence and were being hid, I would be very skeptical of those ten commandments. Wouldn't you?

I'm skeptical of everything. That does not mean I doubt everything unreasonably. Or am paranoically inclined to read the worst into blank spaces. Or believe that even politicians should have no privacy at all at my demand. I even sided with GW Bush refusing to discuss his prior drinking problems. We have no 100% right to demand documentation of every detail of anyone's past. I am satisifed the President is a citizen and eligible to the office. You are not, and never will be, no matter what evidence is produced. Which is why you appear unreasonable and hypocritical in demanding evidence, because it would never satisfy you anyway.

I have never in my life used the following expression but your approach to this issue is the extreme example and I am compelled to say:

"You are drinking the :Koolaid: "

By the way, you have presented no evidence. Only excuses and argument.

Kate and AV, don't wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.

Welcome back, kresspin. Ready for another round?

major bean wrote: Fact - Obama's birth certificate has been released, authenticated with a seal.
1. This is in extremem doubt.

Fact - Obama was a student at Occidental College in California from 1979-1981.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Obama transferred from Occidental to Cloumbia in 1981 and graduated in 1983.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Obama graduated from Harvard Law school in 1991.
1. This is rumor. His records have not been released to document this.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their school records.
1. This is a lie.

Fact - Most Presidential candidates do not release their medical records.
1. This is a lie.

Prove your statements. Please provide documentation that backs up what you say above. Otherwise, we are done discussing this, since you aren't bringing anything to the table.

I've provided verifiable links, research, and quotes for everything I've stated. You provide the childhood equivalent of "Nuh-uh" and "Did not."

Prove that the records have not been released?

The lack of the records is self-evident. You are being very disingenuous.

Kate:

With all due respect you believe what you think is verifiable online. Not everything that you read or research online is factual. That is why there is always a counterpoint to every thread posted. You are relying on Factcheck.org and just because they tell you that they are a non-partisan group dedicated to bringing the truth forward, doesn't tell the whole story. This is because they are a project of the University of Pennsylvania. Now why do I say that? I would argue that Academia is predominantly Liberal in this country. Therefore what you read from this Annenberg group is with a Liberal spin.

So far, to date, none of the facts that you posted have truly been certified to be true. The school records, B.C., etc. are still just claims by those who are protecting Obama. All we ask is what is it that is being covered up? For instance, can you positively answer this one question? What passport did Barack Obama travel to Pakistan on when there was a restriction on Americans traveling to Pakistan? How about, why did Barack Obama receive a Grant to go to Columbia University that is only given to foreign Exchange Students?

So, you reject factcheck.org based on a perceived bias because it's a project funded by the University of Pennsylvania? Why does that make it unreliable? Because you think that all Universities are liberal?

From the factcheck web site:

About Us

Our Mission

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.



Our Funding

Prior to fiscal 2010, we were supported entirely by three sources: funds from the APPC’s own resources (specifically an endowment created in 1993 by the Annenberg Foundation at the direction of the late Walter Annenberg, and a 1995 grant by the Annenberg Foundation to fund APPC’s Washington, D.C., base); additional funds from the Annenberg Foundation; and grants from the Flora Family Foundation. We do not seek and have never accepted, directly or indirectly, any funds from corporations, unions, partisan organizations or advocacy groups.

In 2010 we began accepting donations from individual members of the public for the first time, responding to many unsolicited offers of support from our subscribers. We launched our first public appeal for donations in April 2010.

At that time we also decided to disclose our finances in greater detail, so that our readers may judge for themselves whether or not any of those individual donations could influence us.

Our policy is to disclose the identity of any individual donor giving $1,000 or more. We also disclose the total amount, average amount and number of individual donations of under $1,000.

They even disclose their financing for your perusal.

If you think they are wrong, then state why they are wrong. Poke holes in their arguments, provide your own proof. Just saying "They're wrong because I have doubts" doesn't cut it in a rational discussion.

http://factcheck.org/about/

I'm starting to think this is a losing discussion for us both (or all four of us.) None of you (Major Bean, Outdoor338 or Nmysys) will provide any evidence as to why you think the certificate is a fake. When given actual facts, you then turn up your nose at the source without rational reason. What will it take for you to believe that the birth certificate is real? There's been articles about it, affidavits, eyewitness accounts of the authenticity of the seal, government officials stating that is is real and acceptable. Do you need to hold it in your own hands to accept that it's real?

I feel like Sisyphus.