Anyone care to discuss Illegals and in State Tuition ?

ice, try this on for size, with your own logic. How about some illegal parents move in with you, without permission, they sneak into your house while your at work? You feed them, give them medical, pay for whatever needs they have. Then they have babies while living in your house and expect you to cloth them, feed them, give them medical and an education, and they want you to pay for it? You ok with that?

I was accused of a poor analogy but you take the cake. Not even close to relevant to this discussion. Simple is rarely correct.

Ice wrote: Try a little logic, it is a perfect analogy. When you were 18 how would you feel being punished for your parents crime. What is wrong with you? Your bitterness is hard to comprehend. Very ugly but carry on.
Just a quick question. If they were 17 in high school would you do the same?

Why do you consider one's condition in life as punishment. If you find yourself in a threatening natural situation because your parents took you there, but have now died, is nature punishing the child for being there? No. It is simply a condition of how life works. At some point (regardless of age) we take control of our life, look at the our situation, and take action to rectify the problem. Life everywhere calls for this response and we call it taking responsibility for oneself. If the individual is given help by another, fine, but it is not a requisite to living one's life (surviving) or a condition that all humans must meet. It is your prerogative to offer aid, but that goes against the natural action of every living creature on this planet. I'm aware that we are being told that man is unique and therefore does not necessarily abide by the rules the rest of life follows, but that is someone's egotistical opinion and ignores the fact we are just another animal on this earth.

How is this for reason?
1. Our tax money is for the education of the citizens of the United States.
2. Illegal aliens are not citizens of the United States.
3. Our tax money is not for the educaton of illegal alliens.

SIMPLE, AIN'T IT?

Ice, very simple..they sneaked (crossed the borders illegally) into our country, they broke the law! They expect our taxes to take care of them, their children, their children's children. We cannot afford paying for these illegal's to be here in Colorado, we cannot afford to house them, we cannot afford to give them medical, we cannot afford to educate them, we cannot afford to feed them. We need to take care of our own, what don't you understand about this??? How much is tuition going up in Colorado? Did you know up to 8-12%. I have no problem with my taxes paying for our own kids to go to school in Colorado. If you don't like what some are saying about illegal's, then find some illegal kid who needs help and start paying for his/her 4 year education. Your debate is a mute point, now your talking gibberish!

They are not citizens, we should offer in state tuition to students from other states that are US citizens before we give illegals in state tuition or state grants.

The fact that out of state tuition exists shows that the state recognizes that the tax money from the citizens of Colorado is to be used to educate the citizens of the state of Colorado, not outsiders. And you cannot be more of an outsider than being an illegal alien.

Ice wrote: Okay now this getting frustrating. You have to have intent to break the law . A small child brought here illegally had no intent. They did not break your law.
Sorry but you seem to only care about being vindictive and not doing the best in a bad situation. Do you cut off your nose just to spite your face? I bet you do.
I don't mean that in a bad way.

Intent is not a necessary ingredient for a committing a criminal act. If the child reaches 18 and has not taken the necessary steps to become legal then they are now in fact committing a criminal act and are therefore illegal. They are not punished for being illegal but they should not be rewarded either. They have already been granted a K-12 education and are free in most cases to attend college; it just should not be subsidized by the legal citizen tax payers. BTW if those students are working they are either committing fraud by using someone’s ID or they are illegally working under the table.

Grady wrote:

Ice wrote: Okay now this getting frustrating. You have to have intent to break the law . A small child brought here illegally had no intent. They did not break your law.
Sorry but you seem to only care about being vindictive and not doing the best in a bad situation. Do you cut off your nose just to spite your face? I bet you do.
I don't mean that in a bad way.

Intent is not a necessary ingredient for a committing a criminal act. If the child reaches 18 and has not taken the necessary steps to become legal then they are now in fact committing a criminal act and are therefore illegal. They are not punished for being illegal but they should not be rewarded either. They have already been granted a K-12 education and are free in most cases to attend college; it just should not be subsidized by the legal citizen tax payers. BTW if those students are working they are either committing fraud by using someone’s ID or they are illegally working under the table.

It's not always that simple. Let me share a personal story to exemplify. Upon turning 18 I registered for the draft (1963). Three years later while serving in Vietnam, a letter from my brother informed me I was not a US citizen. I thought I was because my parents both became naturalized citizens. A year after my discharge, I became naturalized at the age of 22. The moral of the story is confusion over alien status may exist because of erroneous assumptions like mine. With this story I do not intend to condone or support instate tuition for illegal aliens, but to highlight that sometimes children are unaware that they are aliens. So once they find out their status, let them take action to correct it if interested.

The bill is dead for now. good job repubs

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